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E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » vr dec 03, 2021 1:03 am

Hallo beste leden,

Ik ben nog steeds bezig met he opknappen van mijn 300CE-24 (4-bak automaat). Ik heb de zoekfunctie gebruikt maar kon niks vinden. Wel 1 topic met een verwijzing naar een Duitse forum. maar die bestaat niet meer.

De E/S knop heeft geen effect op vroeg of laat schakelen. Het schakelt naar mijn idee altijd in S stand ongeacht de positie van de schakelaar (rond de 3500 rpm). Ik ga binnenkort de schakelaar zelf open maken en schoonmaken. Maar voor de rest heb ik geen idee hoe het werkt. Als de schakelaar wel OK is waar moet ik dan verder zoeken?

Gaat het elektrisch? Met lucht? Onder de motorkap? Bij de versnellingsbak? Toch iets met de bowdenkabel?

Hoop dat iemand mij iets wijzer kan maken.

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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » ma dec 13, 2021 10:07 am

Echt niemand?
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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor Jurjen S » ma dec 13, 2021 12:50 pm

Geen idee of de schakelaar ook op vacuum is, of electrisch. De omschakeling van het signaal naar de bak toe is wel met vacuum en die klepjes zitten een beetje links boven je rembekrachtiger half onder de parafaanplaat als ik het goed herinner.
Ik weet nog dat ik bij mezelf ook een tijd twijfelde aan de schakelaar. Ook werkte de kickdown niet. Uiteindelijk bleek er bij mij een verkeerd brandstofpomp relais in te zitten zonder kickdown functie, namelijk die van een handbak ;) Het kan dus geen kwaad om alles even goed te bekijken ;)
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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » ma dec 20, 2021 10:49 am

Update:

Knopje doet zijn werk (Spanning gemeten aan schutbord electromagneet ventiel). Toen heb ik de vacuum gecontroleerd. Uitgaande luchtleiding vanuit electromagneet ventiel richting bak lekt. Moet even een keer op de brug kijken hoe die verder loopt..

Vraagje: Op dit moment gaan er 2 vacuüm leidingen richting de bak (links en rechts) linker is voor afstellen druk voor om schakelen (harder of zachter) vanuit de inlaatspruitstuk.

2e (rechts) rood kleurig vacuum leiding gaat van een ander electromagneet ventiel voor het koude motor/hogere toerental (Correct me if I am wrong)

En nu is er een andere leiding voor de E/S schakelaar dus. Weet niet waar het uiteinde moet zijn. Klopt het nu dat ik dus maar 2 vacuum leidingen heb? mis ik dus de 3e? Of komen die van de koude motor en E/S schakelaar ergens samen? Want wat ze doen is eigenlijk hetzelfde, alleen met verschillende inputs.
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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » di dec 21, 2021 10:13 am

Door uitblijven van een antwoord toch maar zelf ingedoken in onderdelen en schema's. Blijkt dus inderdaad dat er 2 vacuüm kabels aan de rechterzijde van de bak moet zijn die opdezelfde connector (naastelkaar) aangesloten moeten worden.

Ik zag er 1 (vanuit koude motor laat schakel elektroventiel). Kan dus kloppen dat die van E/S schakelaar nu lek is omdat de uiteinde waarschijnlijk ergens los zit. we gaan verder . .
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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » di jan 18, 2022 4:02 pm

Alweer een update.

Blijkt dat ik maar 1 vacuum leiding heb naar de bak richting Bowden kabel. E/S schakelaar en regeling hogere toeren met koude motor gaat dus elektrisch via 1 klep. en deze bedient dan de vacuum regeling aan het einde van de bowden kabel aan de bak zijde.

ik had lekkages met mijn luchtsysteem. Heb 3 plekken hersteld. E/S klep doet zijn werk en verandert het vacuum (wel of niet) aan de bowden kabel.

Maar helaas reageert mijn bak daar niet op. Blijft er nu maar 2 dingen over:
1. Lucht klep mechanisme aan het einde van de bowdenkabel aan het bak zijde werkt niet, of
2. Als deze mechanisme wel werkt, is het probleem dus in het bak zelf waar deze aansluiting binnenkomt. Vastgelopen plunjer of zo... We gaan het zien...

Als iemand meer kan vertellen hierover? graag ;)
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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » di jan 18, 2022 11:03 pm

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Berichtdoor HakanC » wo jan 19, 2022 3:37 pm

Vandaag naar de dealer geweest. Volgens mijn chassisnummer hoort er echt een bowdenkabel met 1 vacuum leiding bij mijn auto/versnellingsbak..

Er is een 2e selenoid met vacuum bij de veerpoot/onstekingsmodule. Eens kijken waar deze voor is en waar die naar toe loopt..
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Berichtdoor HakanC » di jan 25, 2022 2:53 pm

2e solenoid blijkt van de benzine karbon filter te zijn (achter linker spatbord).

Er is nergens anders een solenoid meer die vrij is, of losse vacuum kabels. Volgens EPC moet ik ook een Bowden-kabel hebben met 1 vacuum lijn.

Dus denk ik dat mijn theorie klopt. 1 solenoid wordt zowel door E/S schakelaar als motor Motor ECU aangestuurd (in geval van dat het op Economy staat).

Solenoid en de vacuum leiding doen nu hun werk. Maar heeft geen invloed op schakelgedrag. Er is ook geen lekkage. Dus is of de bowdenkabel aan (vacuum)aansluiting aan de bak kapot, dat deze niet reageert, of in het bak zelf waar bowdenkabel binnenkomt is iets niet goed.

Voorlopig laat ik het zo staan omdat mijn bak rond maart uit elkaar word gehaald. Wat gereviseerd moet worden, wordt dan aangepakt.
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Berichtdoor HakanC » di maart 22, 2022 5:33 pm

Even een snelle informatieve update,

Dat ik een bowdenkabel met 1 vacuum lijn moet hebben klopt. Nu ik met het vernieuwen van het motorkabel bezig ben heb ik de verschillen met en zonder katalysator kunnen zien. (moet de splinternieuwe kabelboom klein beetje aanpassen)

In mijn geval zit er dus nog een extra multifunctioneel relais tussen. Deze wordt aangestuurd door de ECU (denk temperatuur sensor) en die vervolgens weer een enkele elektrische aansturing richting de bak weer aanstuurt voor een latere (hogere toeren) schakeling om de kat sneller op temperatuur te krijgen.

Ik heb een type versnellingsbak 722.359 waar dus wel zo' n elektrische aansluiting op zit.

Na het vervangen van de motorkabelboom moet blijken of deze aansluiting wel goed werkt. Ik hou jullie op de hoogte.
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Berichtdoor Harolds » wo maart 23, 2022 5:42 pm

Mooi te zien hoe je ermee bezig bent, en prettig dat je de moeite neemt e.e.a. terug te koppelen.
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Berichtdoor HakanC » wo maart 23, 2022 8:59 pm

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Re: E/S schakelaar versnellingsbak doet niks

Berichtdoor HakanC » wo jun 08, 2022 2:19 pm

Update:

Mijn versnellingsbak is compleet gereviseerd. Ook zijn alle elektrische componenten zoals de overload protection sensor vervangen. inhouden bij maximale toerental/kickdown is ook eindelijk over. Bak schakelt eindelijk weer perfect.

Helaas werkt E/S knop nog steeds niet. Elektrische knop bij de pook en de solenoid bij motorruimte doen hun werk. Ook wordt de vacuum druk juist bediend en dus is het vacuum gedeelte ook OK (ook geen lekkages).

Blijft als enige verdachte over: Bowdenkabel. Deze werkt dus wel maar de verstelling aan de kant van de bak die moet reageren op de E/S knop doet dus niks. Lijkt vast te zitten.

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