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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Powersofts » wo jan 11, 2017 8:02 am

ja die knop zit ook op de 190E met kat , en die heeft 7standen.
ik ga voor die 7eurocent verschil niet meer naar België/essen rijden. voor dat kleine verschil tank ik liever euro 95 voor 1.50euro vandaag.
Volgens de merc. kan deze auto omgaan met E10 maar dat gaan we dus niet doen.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bartgo » wo jan 11, 2017 8:44 am

Eigenlijk toch echt een drama vind ik, die E10. Waarom is dit nu nodig? Wie vult er zijn zakken? Dit heeft absoluut niks met milieu te maken, integendeel zelfs.

Hoe dan ook, mocht iemand weet hebben van een station waar ze nog gewone Euro95 zouden verkopen in België?
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Powersofts » wo jan 11, 2017 8:53 am

Ik heb gisteren nog gebeld met esso in essen, België en die vrouw was heel duidelijk: 'vanaf 1 jan. 2017 mogen wij geen euro 95 zonder E10 verkopen, we verkopen in gans België Euro95 met erbij E10".
"heel spijtig voor u meneer maar nergens kunt u dit kopen", "als u een oude auto heeft kunt u Euro 98 tanken".

dus..
tel uit je winst.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor JosW124 » wo jan 11, 2017 9:03 am

Ethanol wordt gemaakt van landbouwprodukten.
Boeren verbouwen thans voedsel voor auto's....
Geluk is een oude Mercedes met een volle tank.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bartgo » wo jan 11, 2017 9:16 am

Ik heb wel iets vernomen van een productje dat je in de tank kunt gieten bij elke tankbeurt. Geen idee wat het was maar het zou de ethanol neutraliseren. Zoiets als het vervangproduct voor lood dat we in auto's van de 50s moeten doen.

Jos: behalve dat ze me weer op kosten jagen, steekt me dat vooral tegen de borst: voedsel verbouwen of alleszins landbouwgrond bezetten voor een product in auto's. Dat dan nog eens slecht is voor elke auto en heel ingewikkeld om te produceren, en bijgevolg slecht voor het milieu.

Tankwagen laten komen en zelf een tank met echte benzine thuis opslaan?
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bartgo » wo jan 11, 2017 9:17 am

Ik wou er nog aan toevoegen: eigenlijk is dit erhanolverhaal op moreel niveau gewoon criminaliteit.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » wo jan 11, 2017 9:25 am

Ethanol (triviale naam ethylalcohol), vaak afgekort tot EtOH, is de bekendste en meestvoorkomende alcohol, aangezien het een vaak gebruikt oplosmiddel is en het de alcohol is die in alcoholische dranken zit. In het dagelijkse spraakgebruik wordt ethanol gewoon alcohol genoemd.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bartgo » wo jan 11, 2017 9:58 am

Ja Bram, wat doen jullie daar eigenlijk mee in Frankrijk?
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » wo jan 11, 2017 10:09 am

Gewoon 95 tanken als het er is, maar het kwam 3 jaar geleden al voor dat je aan een pomp stond met alleen 98 en E10. En dan tank je 98, geen probleem.
Het is al langer aan de gang. Op Google kun je er veel over lezen.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor JosW124 » wo jan 11, 2017 11:08 am

Als men geheel Nederland, de totale oppervlakte, vol zou zetten met ethanol producerende gewassen, zou dat voor 2% (twee!) van de behoefte in biobrandstof voorzien.
In Frankrijk 3% (drie).
Wederom blijkt dus dat een beter milieu bij jezelf begint en dus niet bij degenen die dat voorstellen en daarin het voortouw zouden moeten nemen.
Vandaar denk ik dan, dat landbouwers worden aangemoedigd hun vee het hele jaar op stal te houden om zo de weilanden om te ploegen en in te zaaien met eerder genoemde gewassen.
En daar krijgen ze dan weer subsidies voor.
En wie betalen die subsidies?
Juist, de gewone man.
Feitelijk betalen wij dus om die boeren die gewassen te laten verbouwen, om daarna aan de pomp nogmaals diep in de buidel te moeten.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor JosW124 » wo jan 11, 2017 11:39 am

En dat terwijl er genoeg goede alternatieven zijn;

DE AIRCAR de auto aandrijven met luchtdruk


De motor van Guy Negre zorgt voor een revolutie in de transportsector. Geen fossiele brandstoffen meer in de tank, maar lucht als brandstof! Deze luchtdruk motor van MDI is een van de belangrijkste uitvindingen van de vorige eeuw. Guy Negre heeft een motor uitgevonden waarmee 110 km/u mee gereden kan worden en waarmee een afstand van 300 km kan worden afgelegd. Het vullen van de tank kost maximaal 3 Euro, gegeven het feit dat de auto 77 Eurocent per 100 kilometer aan luchtdruk kost.

Guy Negre heeft bij de Franse overheid aangeklopt met zijn idee, hetgeen van de tafel werd geschoven i.v.m. de belangen van ELF,Total, Shell, Esso , EDF, etc.
Hij is toen naar India gegaan om zijn auto's door Tata, (of Tatra,ben dat even kwijt), te laten produceren, kostprijs zou dan rond de 4000 euro liggen.
Op voorhand werd hem verteld dat er een importverbod voor de gehele Europese Unie op berust.

Kijk, dat krijg je nou ervan als je serieus een beter milieu bij jezelf laat beginnen...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/988265.stm

Maar goed, E10 in de Benz, dat was het topic.
Bij genoeg belangstelling kan ik een nieuw topic aanmaken in de juiste rubriek.
En voor de diesels, al eens aan PPO gedacht?
Schijnt dat men in Duitsland ombouwsetjes kan kopen om er dan zoveel mogelijk rendement uit te halen.


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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor MB280E » wo jan 11, 2017 7:46 pm

Voor de mensen die nog twijfelen of hun wagen wel E10 mag hebben
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Jurjen S » wo jan 11, 2017 11:15 pm

Netjes :) mijn 230CE zonder katalysator dus niet tanken die rommel :)


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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor DJS » do jan 12, 2017 3:56 am

Het probleem met ethanol is dat de smering minder aanwezig is, daarnaast is het agressiever op de pakkingen. In de tijd dat deze auto's zijn ontwikkeld, werd ethanol eigenlijk nog niet gebruikt, de auto's zijn er simpelweg niet voor ontworpen. Naast dat het agressiever kan zijn voor de brandstofpomp en brandstofleidingen, kan het ook zwaarder zijn op de kleppen. Het kan best goed gaan voor een zeer lange tijd, daarnaast heeft E10 natuurlijk niet een enorm hoog ethanolpercentage. Maar persoonlijk zou ik het er niet op wagen.
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

Berichtdoor Bartgo » do jan 12, 2017 10:04 am

Dat is een duidelijke uitleg! Nu, ik heb twee Benzen met een M103 motor (300E) met allebei op de datenkarte: niederverdichtung mit katalysator. Er zat er dus wel een op af fabriek lijkt me. Daarmee konden ze in Duitsland de euro2 norm halen wat toen subsidies gaf. Maar ik denk dat dit nog een vorige versie is van de katalysator en toch eigenlijk altijd achteraf ingebouwd werd door de de dealer voor de klant zijn auto afhaalde?
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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

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Re: E10 benzine tanken ?

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