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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » do aug 14, 2014 8:19 pm

Bedoel je met stralings temometer deze? Daniël.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor DJS » do aug 14, 2014 8:23 pm

Ja. ;) Richt hem op de motor en je hebt een lekker nauwkeurige aflezing. Je kunt hem het beste op een vergelijkbare plek als die van de temperatuurmeter in de auto richten. ;)
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » do aug 14, 2014 8:47 pm

Zal dit morgen even doen en laat het weten.

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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Gullwing » do aug 14, 2014 9:00 pm

Een ouderwetse thermometer in het expansievat is de meest betrouwbare meting.
Wanneer alles in orde is staat de meter op 80°.
De koelvin slaat als het goed is aan bij 100°.
Er is ruimte voor twijfel over de aanwijzing door het inschakelen van de vin.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » do aug 14, 2014 10:14 pm

Dan wordt het en/en
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor SanderDTCH » vr aug 15, 2014 6:53 am

Morguh bram.

Klopt met 100 gr moet hij aanslaan en de sensor kleur aan de bovenkant moet rood zijn en 2 polig want je heb ook nog een blauwe.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr aug 15, 2014 10:48 am

Meting.jpgHier de resultaten van de meting.

De motor koel ventilator draaid vanaf het starten rustig mee.
Ik heb het idee dat naarmate de temperatuur stijgt de fan iets harder gaat draaien, maar ben daar niet zeker van omdat dit moeilijk bepalen is. Heb op de fan geen snelheidsmeter op zitten :lol:

Zeker is wel dat er tussen de thermometer in het expansievat, en de auto temperatuur, 10C verschil zit.
Auto thermometer geeft 10C meer aan dan de thermometer in expansievat.
Thermometer 70C en in de auto 80C

De temperatuur stijgt over het geheel erg langzaam, laat zeggen in een half uur stationair draaien naar de 84C in het expansievat en is dan in de auto wat hoger dan 80C, is dat 90C? Bij de 84C in het expansievat ik de motor uitgezet.

Nu het raadsel.
Ik dacht dat de motor ventilator bij een hogere temperatuur in sloeg maar het is de airco fan. Was op het gehoor afgegaan maar bij het kijken bleek de airco fan hard te draaien. Die maakt het lawaai waarvan ik dacht dat het de motor koel fan was.

De Airco ventilator zit daar in zijn uppie want geen condensor aanwezig.
De airco fan slaat in bij 72C in het expansievat gemeten, en in de auto dik 80C

En dan nog even aan SanderDTCH
Ik heb hier een foto bijgedaan van de censor/schakelaar. Bij mij geen rood. Of heb ik er een verkeerde inzitten :mrgreen: Toen de oude schakelaar er nog inzat heb ik daar bij lopende motor de stekker afgetrokken en dan gaat gelijk ook die airco fan lopen/jagen. Dat was de stekker waar nu dat groene ding zit, waarvan ik denk dat het de censor cq schakelaar zit.



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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor DJS » vr aug 15, 2014 10:57 am

Het is begrijpelijk dat de temperatuur in het expansievat eerst wat lager ligt. Wanneer de thermostaat bij 85 graden opent, begint het koelsysteem pas goed te circuleren. Je geeft zelf aan dat de temperatuur in het expansievat 84 graden is, dit is prima. ;) Dat de van in het begin ligt meedraait, komt door de visco koppeling die in het begin ook niet volledig weerstandvrij is. De aircofan zou wel wat later mogen aanslaan. De voorgeschreven temperatuur ligt volgens mij op 95 graden Celsius.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Wiersma » vr aug 15, 2014 11:07 am

De temp van de aircofan ligt zelfs nog hoger, 105/110 graden
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr aug 15, 2014 1:07 pm

Dank voor jullie antwoorden.

Dan is de vraag: Welke schakelaar is verantwoordelijk voor het inslaan van de airco fan.

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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Wiersma » vr aug 15, 2014 1:39 pm

PM je chassisnummer maar, kan ik je het wel vertellen.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Wiersma » vr aug 15, 2014 4:44 pm

De sensor zit hier:
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In het document staat 107 graden. En het is een blauwe sensor.

Hier is het hele document. Let op er zitten verschillende motoren in dus even de om603 turbo zoeken.
En zitten verschillend in jaartallen. Verhaal over tempaansturing fan begint op pagina 22.

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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Gullwing » vr aug 15, 2014 5:54 pm

Lex, de temperatuur is prima in orde.
Het enige vraagteken op dit moment is het aanslaan van de elektrische fan, die begint bij een te lage temperatuur.

De elektrische fan kent twee manieren van inschakelen:
1. zodra de airco compressor aanslaat
2. wanneer het koelmiddel een temperatuur van 100 graden bereikt.

1. valt af, de airco kan niet inschakelen omdat het systeem leeg is.
2. geeft aan dat de thermo schakelaar iets te enthousiast is, vervangen door een exemplaar dat op de juiste temperatuur inschakelt.

Er zit altijd wat tolerantie in de aangegeven waarde van de temperatuur meter in de auto.
Tien graden lijkt me wat veel. Je zou kunnen proberen of het verwisselen van de temperatuurzender wat oplevert.
Voor de gebruiker is het belangrijker een afwijking van de normaal aangegeven temperatuur te constateren dan de absolute waarde te kennen.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr aug 15, 2014 5:58 pm

Wiersma, dank voor het schema.
Voor zover ik daar wijs uit wordt zitten er op die plaats twee.

Heb je er misschien een nummer van, mogelijk heb ik het zakje waar de nieuwe in zat nog liggen. Dan kan ik kijken welke ik nou eigenlijk vernieuwd heb.

Als je voor de auto staat, zitten er twee ongeveer gelijke censoren/schakelaars op die plek.
Is het dan de linkse of de rechtse. En vraag twee, waar is de rechtse voor.

Lex
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr aug 15, 2014 6:05 pm

Paul, we zitten gelijkertijd te schrijven.

Kun jij mij uitleggen welke de thermo schakelaar is. Ik krijg een beetje de indruk dat ik die nou juist net vervangen heb.
Hij heeft een 2 polige turquoise bovenkant en de stekker is zegmaar 3 polig omdat hij een uitsparing heeft. Goed, die heb ik vernieuwd. Waar de rechtse voor is weet ik niet, die heb ik niet vernieuwd omdat de MB dealer hier zei dat de linkse de temperatuur censor was.

Het verschil van temperatuur in expansievat en auto thermometer wordt naar gelang de themperatuur oploopt iets minder

Nog één stukje info wat ik kan geven.
Over de sensor die ik heb vernieuwd. Toen de oude er nog in zat heb ik daar de stekker af gehaald, dan gaat de airco fan constant draaien.
De airco fan slaat dus in bij 72C en gaat dan tijdens het rijden ook niet meer uit.

Lex
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Wiersma » vr aug 15, 2014 6:14 pm

Waarschijnlijk dit nummer: A0085424517
Helaas staat in WIS geen nummers.

Hier het draadschema:
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M4 is de aircofan
S32 (druk) en K10 zijn voor de regeling voor de airco.
K9 is de relais voor de temperatuur. En die krijgt aansturing via x26/6 naar N19
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr aug 15, 2014 6:22 pm

Heb het zakje waar de censor in zat gevonden.

Ik heb vernieuwd: A0085425617 Sender Unit Cooling Water

Heb hem gedraaid links van de twee.

Lex
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Wiersma » vr aug 15, 2014 6:30 pm

Die sensor A0085425617 is voor je tempmeter, en die hoort in de kop te zitten volgens EPC op jou chassisnummer.
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Re: Motor temperatuur

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr aug 15, 2014 6:33 pm

Het spijt mij vreselijk maar dit soort tekeningen/schema's, aar kom ik niet uit.

Heb beide nummers op google bekeken.

Zijn beide temperatuur sencoren. Ze zijn ook beide bijna gelijk. Met dit verschil dat de A0085425617 een derde plastick pool heeft.
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