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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » zo mei 29, 2022 12:10 pm

Wat je ook nog kan doen
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Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo mei 29, 2022 2:21 pm

De overbuurman er ook even bijgehaald sleutelt als zijn hele leven aan auto's.
- Kabeltje van de magneet is doorgemeten deze was goed.
- De stekker door lussen en als schakelaar laten werken, gaf geen klik de buurman zat met zijn oor op de fan.
- Ik heb de magneet eruit gehaald buurman zei dat ie met 12 volt erop het moet doen, dat deed dus niks.
of dit je juiste manier is om de magneet te testen weet ik niet.
- Trekt de magneet de fan naar zich toe of draait deze bijna tegen de magneet aan? zit te denken een een as die in moet
klikken/schuiven naar de magneet toe.
Want zodra de magneet gaat werken moet hij de poelie van de fan mee laten draaien.

De poelie heb ik er een poosje terug afgehaald en in de zinkspray gezet en zwarte metaalverf. Dat schakelt een magneet toch niet uit ;)
Er zitten wel scheurtjes in de magneet aan de zwarte kant.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor hansjepansje » zo mei 29, 2022 2:46 pm

Fan heeft een metalen ring met platte veren en wordt aangetrokken door de magneet
Als ie niet aangetrokken is zit er een luchtspleet van 1a2 tiende mm
Magneet zelf , scheurtjes kunnen geen kwaad hebben ze bijna allemaal
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor hansjepansje » zo mei 29, 2022 3:24 pm

Nog even voor je gekeken in boek
Lufter lauft nicht:
Stecker von Thermoschalter abziehen und gegen masse legen,Wenn der lufter jetzt mitlauft ,Thermoschalter erzetzen
Magnetkorper defect:Elektrische leitung am magnetkorper abziehen und uber PRUFLAMPE gegen masse legen
Zunding einschalten .Wenn die lampe aufleuchtet magneetkorper ersetzen ,anderenfalls leitungunterbrechung beseitigen
Dus magneet doormeten moet met een proeflamp
Hopelijk kun je een beetje duits
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo mei 29, 2022 3:29 pm

Een foto doet meer dan woorden.

Hier de fan tussen dat bruine metalen deel en het zwarte van de poulie zit een kleine spleet hierdoor draait de fan soepel.
Als ik voor op de fan druk met mijn hand kan ik die spleet niet dichtdrukken klopt dat of staat er iets vast?
Lijkt mij dat dat moet kunnen omdat de magneet dit ook doet :( :(
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor hansjepansje » zo mei 29, 2022 3:40 pm

Fan zit vast op de as van de waterpomp ,dus er schuift niets
Metalen ring zit met platte veren aan de kunststof fan
Ring word aangetrokken en dan draait fan mee
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo mei 29, 2022 5:44 pm

Hansjepansje zei :Wat je ook nog kan doen is de slang (foto) loskoppelen en in een bakje hangen, dan de motor warm laten draaien.
Bij ca. 87 graden, mits de juiste, opent de thermostaat en als deze goed is, moet daar koelvloeistof uit komen.

Dat kan ik morgen wel even testen , als daar geen vloeistof uit komt dan is de thermostaat kapot.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor hansjepansje » zo mei 29, 2022 6:38 pm

Was niet mijn tip hoor,maar is te proberen.
Mijn ervaring is dat een defecte thermostaat open blijft staan en niet dicht
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » zo mei 29, 2022 6:51 pm

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » ma mei 30, 2022 6:23 am

Alvast bedankt voor de behulpzame reacties. ik ga er mee aan de slag als ik gevonden heb wat het is dan laat ik het wel even horen. Ik heb nu tips genoeg gehad...... of iemand moet nog een briljant idee hebben.
Of naar de garage brengen voor een diagnose ?
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor hansjepansje » ma mei 30, 2022 1:41 pm

Goed advies van rd 500,allereerst moet de magneetkoppeling werken.
daarna dop expansievat vervangen ,systeem werkt onder druk om kookpunt te verlagen .
Druk te laag dan gaat ie overkoken bij 100gr.ipv bij 120gr
Instructieboekje geeft aan dat de max temp.120gr mag worden zonder schade
Als laatste druktest laten doen ,worden de slangen hard bij hete motor?
Denk dan aan koppakking
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » ma mei 30, 2022 5:13 pm

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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » di mei 31, 2022 11:45 am

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » di mei 31, 2022 12:02 pm

Shostakovich124 tuurlijk wil ik wel tips daar ben ik blij mee.

Hoe moet ik de spoel doormeten van de magneet dat weet ik namelijk niet,om deze uit te sluiten.

Zoals RD500SEC aangaf de meetmethode zoals hij aangaf heb k net gedaan, met contact aan
en ook nog met draaiende motor.
Fan van de airco sloeg niet aan en ook geen klik van de Magneet koppeling. :?

Net nog even doorgemeten, op de ene pool van de dubbele stekker geeft ie 14,23 volt en op die andere
pool 0 vult. Met draaiende motor.
Doet ik de motor uit staat er geen spanning meer op.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » di mei 31, 2022 12:36 pm

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » di mei 31, 2022 1:57 pm

Als ik op de min plus pen van de elektromagneet (waar ook de stekker op gaat)meet geef ie 780 ohm aan. Leg ik de meetpennen beidde op het metaal van de elektromagneet dan 0.0

Ik heb net naar Mercedes Only gebeld , de meneer aan de foon zei : Als er 12 volt opzet moet ie een stuk metaal gewoon pakken als ie dat niet doet dan is de magneet STUK,
Dat heb ik uiteeraard getest en het resultaat is dat de magneet niet magnetisch word dan zal hij overleden zijn
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » di mei 31, 2022 2:48 pm

Dan zit er waarschijnlijk een overgangsweerstand in, kortsluiting via het weekmetaal.
De manier van de MercedesOnlyMan kan ook en is idd praktischer.

Probleem 1 opgelost. Nu probleem 2 en 3....
Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » di mei 31, 2022 5:23 pm

Ik heb bij tijdeman voor 50 euro een magneet gekocht.... daar doorgemeten en gaf 0 ohm op de aansluitingen.
Thuis heb ik er 12 volt opgezet je hoort in de magneet een klik. :D dus heel
Daarna de magneet gemonteerd, die stekkers getest met het contact aan die klik hoor ik niet .
En met draaiende motor ook die stekkers verbonden enkele met dubbele en de fan slaat niet aan :roll:
Weet even niet wat er nog meer stuk kan zijn nu?

Voor de sensor al contact maken moet werken maar doet het niet.

De auto rijd op gas.
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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Maurice. » di mei 31, 2022 7:33 pm

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Re: Overstort koelvloeistof vloog open.

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » di mei 31, 2022 7:38 pm

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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