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Backfire 300E : LPG Specifiek

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Backfire 300E

Specifieke zaken omtrent het rijden op LPG kunnen hier geplaatst worden zodat we alle zaken omtrent LPG hier verzameld hebben staan.

Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » di jul 22, 2014 3:24 pm

Gisteren voor het eerst een backfire gehad, na 3km opeens een gebonk onder de motorkap (had het nog nooit meegemaakt dus was even schrikken )

Auto op benzine gezet en toen reed hij weer verder, iets laten op de dag weer vertrokken op LPG en bijna 120km kunnen doen zonder problemen

Deze morgen had ik weer prijs, auto op benzine gezet en verder gereden, op benzine rijd de auto goed dus ik denk niet dat er iets met de motor of iets anders scheelt, ook geen losse slangen of iets anders kunnen vinden op het eerste zicht

Morgen ga ik de bougies eens wisselen en hopen dat het niet meer voorkomt

Nog andere tips ?
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Orion » di jul 22, 2014 4:22 pm

Als je op LPG rijdt dan moet je ten alle tijde ervoor zogen dat je "Vonken-Fabriek" 100% is. Dat betekend niet alleen nieuwe bougies, maar ook goede bougie-kabels en rotor en verdelerkap. Is er iets in deze onderdelen niet goed, loop je de kans op een backfire. Wat je dan kan krijgen is dat je stuwschijf krom raakt en dan ben je verder van huis.
Grtz Orion.

Geef me een PB.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Gullwing » di jul 22, 2014 4:38 pm

LPG is niet alleen maar winst.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » di jul 22, 2014 4:57 pm

Ik heb net de bougies, de kabels en de luchtfilter besteld

Rotor en verdelerkap ?
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Gullwing » di jul 22, 2014 5:18 pm

Ook vervangen tenzij je zeker weet dat het recent gebeurd is.
Dan nog gaat het erom dat er alleen maar origineel Bosch spul op mag.
Beru etc kun je vergeten. Dat geeft gedonder NPI!
Bosch is niet goedkoop, met wat moeite kun je kap en rotor van Bosch
bij internet verkopers vinden: mister auto etc.
Vraag wel voor je betaalt of ze het Bosch spul ook echt in voorraad hebben.
De site is te optimistisch wat de voorraad betreft.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Orion » di jul 22, 2014 6:03 pm

Ik heb trouwens van een W124 300E een Bosch verdelerkap liggen nieuw in de Doos. Maar die is wel voor de multiklepper.
Bosch nummer: 1 234 522 427

Mocht je die nodig hebben dan kun je me een PB suren.
Grtz Orion.

Geef me een PB.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Gordi044 » di jul 22, 2014 8:58 pm

Afstelling van het LPG systeem is ook belangrijk, een te arm mengsel verbrand traag en kan het verse mengsel tot ontbranding brengen [backfire],, Klappen onder de motorkap bij overslaan of slecht functioneren van het ontstekingssysteem noemt met crossfire en is dus wezenlijk iets anders.
Een W124 is erg gevoelig op de ontsteking dus .........
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » wo jul 23, 2014 7:04 am

De backfire kwam na het afremmen, ik voelde de auto ook wat stotteren, bij het stationair draaien merkte ik niks op

Ik vind het ook raar dat ik na de eerste keer even op benzine had gereden en daarna nog 120km heb kunnen rijden zonder problemen
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor TurboPapagaai » wo jul 23, 2014 8:24 pm

Na het afremmen ?

Is de luchtinlaat wel goed aangepast voor LPG ?
Als er met t gas los wind bij komt kan ie een teveel aan lucht krijgen.

Heb je dat als je afremt van redelijke snelheid ( snelweg ofzo )
Every time you buy MB - a hot girl gets implants.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » zo jul 27, 2014 7:58 pm

De lucht inlaat is aangepast
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Gullwing » ma jul 28, 2014 4:02 am

Gullwing
 


Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » za aug 02, 2014 11:42 am

Vandaag even tijd gehad om de bougies enz te vervangen

Er op uitgekomen dat de behuizing van de luchtfiltet kapot is gegaan ( waarschijnlijk door de backfire ?)

Maandag voor een andere gaan kijken

Bougies zagen er ook niet echt goed uit, bougieskabel en spinnekop wel,
Alsof ze recent waren vervangen
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » za aug 02, 2014 3:49 pm

Iemand nog een luchtfilter behuizing liggen ?
0130947202 MB nr
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Gullwing » za aug 02, 2014 4:31 pm

Geweldig dat LPG!
Alleen winst in de folder.
Rijdend meestal ellende.

Motoren met K(E) Jetronic zijn eigenlijk niet geschikt om op LPG te laten lopen.
Wil je toch op gas rijden kies dan een M104 motor.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Arpad » zo aug 03, 2014 9:17 am

LPG hoeft helemaal geen problemen te geven, belangrijk hierbij is wel niet te bezuinigen op de installatie. Een goede LPI installatie heeft maar heel weinig kans op een backfire. Een systeem met een ouderwetse verdanper daarintegen wel.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor DJS » zo aug 03, 2014 11:41 am

Daar heb je opzich wel gelijk in. Een lpi injectie installatie kost je misschien wel een fortuin maar vele nadelen die een conventionele LPG installatie heeft, als bijvoorbeeld een veel hetere verbranding, komen te vervallen.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor TurboPapagaai » zo aug 03, 2014 10:29 pm

Goed onderhoud en een degelijk ingebouwde installatie is er goed op LPG te rijden.
Ook met verdamper.
Helaas denken teveel mensen zonder specifieke kennis wel even LPG in te bouwen.
Dan wordt het n dure hobby.

Verder: als ik je luchtfilterhuis zo bekijk zal je " luchtweger " klep of arm ook wel krom zijn.
Dit is een behoorlijke backfire geweest.
Controleer ook je stationair circuit.
Wil nog wel eens een rubber slang eraf schieten.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor Gullwing » ma aug 04, 2014 3:05 am

Voor drie duizend euro kun je ook aardig wat benzine kopen.
Om van de fiscale straf voor het rijden op schone brandstof maar niet te spreken.
Ik tref liever wat maatregelen om de 300TE wat zuiniger te maken op benzine.

Afgaande op die bougies is er bij het ontstekingsgebeuren ook het een en ander mis.
Beoordeel kabels niet op hun uiterlijk, doe de plantensproeiertest of laat de motor
draaien in het donker met geopende motorkap. Bij slechte kabels zie je de vonken
erlangs weglekken.
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » ma aug 04, 2014 1:11 pm

Misschien wat meer info over het stationair circuit en de luchtweger ?

Ik heb al meerdere auto's op LPG gereden, bougies altijd vervangen om de 10.000km, de kabels om de 30.000km dus totaal ongeveer 100€ /jaar, ik maak liever deze kosten dan 20-30.000km per jaar op benzine te rijden
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Re: Backfire 300E

Berichtdoor 2xEE » di aug 12, 2014 5:47 pm

Nieuwe luchtfilterkap, luchtfilter en bougiekabels zitten erop, al ongveer 100km gereden en geen problemen gehad, hopen dat het zo blijft
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