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Isolatiemateriaal motorkap : Carrosserie & Exterieur - 5

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Het is nu vr maart 29, 2024 12:09 am

Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Alles omtrent de carrosserie en de buitenkant, zoals bijv. spuiten, roest, plaatwerk, lassen maar ook spiegels, rubbers en chroom, ruitenwissers etc.

Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor Mafkees » vr jan 18, 2013 3:34 pm

Plakt dat spul goed dan Michel ?
Mafkees
 


Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor Mariska's MB » vr jan 18, 2013 4:26 pm

Hoi,

Plakt super. Eenmaal er op níet meer er af te halen. De plaat is inmiddels weg.

Michel,

Ps de motor is nog stiller. Echt een goeie demping.
We zijn allemaal mensen.
Wonen op de zelfde aarde.
Maar iedereen heeft zijn eigen visie.
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Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor GekkeHenkie » vr jan 18, 2013 8:03 pm

ik heb hem ergens online gevonden in Nederland.
http://www.mijnautoonderdelen.nl/zoeken ... oord=09505
2 dagen levertijd.
dus dan hebben ze hem lijkt me.

Mvg Thijs
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Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor GekkeHenkie » vr jan 18, 2013 8:04 pm

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Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor RoyMB » vr jan 18, 2013 11:41 pm

mijn kap heeft er ook niet zo veel meer van op zitten,
maar nu zal ik wel gek zijn,want ik vind het geklapper van die diesel toch ook wel lekker klinken B)
RoyMB
 


Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor J_A » za jan 19, 2013 12:12 am

J_A
 


Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor J_A » za jan 19, 2013 12:14 am

J_A
 


Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor RoyMB » za jan 19, 2013 12:37 am

ik luister er vaak na met de kap open,
dat genagel roept meteen jeugd herrineringen op.

hoe zit het met die isolatie mbt brandwerend?
ruitensproeiers willen nog wel eens branden..... :dry:
RoyMB
 


Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor J_A » za jan 19, 2013 12:42 am

J_A
 


Re: Motorkap isolatie

Berichtdoor RoyMB » za jan 19, 2013 12:44 am

nee tegenwoordig hoor je een drammerige tdi/CDI/hdi wat ruikt na een chloor fabriek dankzij een roetfilter.
de echte machine motoren hoor je zelden nog,of je moet al een vroege 210 tegen komen,,,,
RoyMB
 


Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor StijnTheRock » zo feb 22, 2015 7:26 pm

Goedenavond,

Ook ik heb me laten inlichten m.b.t. isolatie dit hele topic doorgekeken. Mijn isolatiemateriaal onder de motorkap was voor 99% verdwenen en ik heb hem gister grondig schoongemaakt, gelijmd met Bison-Tix Lijm en 3 platen van de gamma.

Werkt allemaal prima, ik heb echt enorm resultaat! Ik rij vaak 100 tot 110 km per uur, ook vanwege het motorgeluid, maar nu is het geluid veel minder. Ik denk dat ik nu de motor evenveel hoor bij 120 km per uur als eerder bij 105 km/per uur. En dat is wel fijn want ik ga naar weer op naar Frankrijk en met 110 km per uur kom ik de heuvels niet op, bij 120 km per uur lukt dat echter wel :)

Hoe dan ook, ik ben zeer verheugt met het resultaat!

PS: Als je die bison -tix koopt, koop dan meteen het grote potje van 750 ml en niet die van 250 ml want dat is niet genoeg.
StijnTheRock
 


Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor StijnTheRock » do feb 26, 2015 7:44 pm

Hierbij het het halve werk....
Bijlagen
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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor Tokkel124 » do feb 26, 2015 10:52 pm

Heb ik gisteren ook gedaan nav dit topic. Met precies dezelfde Gamma matten. Wat een verschil..
Ik had er 3 matten voor nodig. In 1 pakket zitten 2 matten. Was er iets van €28 voor kwijt, plus naderhand nog een bus spuitlijm van Bison a €16.
Vaak zie ik vlak na ik geld uitgeef ergens anders altijd het gras groener. Zo ook deze keer: http://link.marktplaats.nl/m903289005
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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor DJS » do feb 26, 2015 11:06 pm

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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor Turbo300 » do feb 26, 2015 11:20 pm

Heb toen die tijd in mijn bruine 300TD ook z'n mat van TE-Taxiteile onder de motorkap gelijmd
was er erg tevreden mee!

Pas vorm was super en persoonlijk oogt het beter dan die schuimdingen van de bouwmarkt
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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor DJS » do feb 26, 2015 11:57 pm

In de 2.5 zit ook zo'n mooie passende isolatiemat waarvan we de aanwezigheid al sinds de aanschaf van de auto mogen genieten. Het staat erg net, naar mijn mening. Zo'n noppenmat is iets waar ik mij steeds maar weer aan zou ergeren wanneer ik het aangezicht van die vijfcilinder bewonder. Echter is dat probleem meer te wijden aan mijzelf dan aan een noppenmat, die ook prima in staat is de beoogde functie te vervullen. :D Van de donor hebben we ook nog zo'n vot liggen.
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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor Brown » vr feb 27, 2015 11:24 am

krijg binnenkort mijn 'nieuwe' 230E en daar is ook de isolatie aan het verpulveren dus ga er ook matten in zetten. hele topic doorgelezen en er zijn verschillende mogelijkheden. dealer (met stukje metaal voor de turbo), febi, gamma, hornbach, conrad en ADMS. Maar welke is nu beter kwa veiligheid en geluidsdemping? die ADMS zegt er expliciet bij dat hij voorzien is van een olie werende toplaag. dat lijkt ook het geval te zijn bij de conrad maar bij de andere niet. toch?

en wat zijn de diktes van het origineel, febi en de gamma? conrad en ADMS zijn 1cm dik.
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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor EdH » vr feb 27, 2015 2:16 pm

Bij mij zat het originele materiaal er niet meer op om het mee te vergelijken, maar goede geluidsdemping is erg complex. Het best werkt een enorm zware (loden) kast er luchtdicht omheen maken. Het geluid van de motor in de doos moet het oppervlak van de doos in trilling zien te brengen, wat vervolgens weer de omgevingslucht in trilling moet brengen, dat dan als geluid ons oor bereikt. Hoe zwaarder het oppervlak van de doos, hoe moeilijker het in trilling kan worden gebracht en dus geluid doorgeeft.

Een dichte loden doos is niet praktisch haalbaar omdat de motor buitenlucht nodig heeft en het gewicht niet handig is voor de mobilieit. Daarom zijn geluiddempende voorzieningen altijd een compromis, gebaseerd op:
1 het absorberen van geluid zodat het niet van wand naar wand heen en weer ketst maar wordt geabsorbeerd
2 het verminderen van geluid naar buiten toe door het verzwaren van omgevingspanelen, waardoor deze minder makkelijk in trilling kunnen worden gebracht en geluid doorgeven naar buiten.

De betere matten hebben een oliebestendige buitenlaag met gelijmd stevig materiaal erachter. Het zijn zware en vrij dikke matten dat geluid goed dempen kan. Eenvoudigere matten zijn lichter van gewicht en heel open van structuur, deze zorgen voor iets absorbtie van geluid in de motorruimte, en omdat het aan de motorkap geplakt zit, voor een kleine verzwaring en daarmee demping van de motorkap. Niet heel noemenswaardig, maar zeker merkbaar t.o.v. geen isolatie. De betere matten zitten ook gelijmd en vormen door het zwaardere materiaal een veel effectievere demping van het geluid.

De mooiste oplossing (vind ik, niets zo subjectief als meningen), is de motorkap aan de binnenkant verzwaren met stukken zware anti-dreun-matten en daar dichte (brandveilige) matten op plakken. Anti-dreun-matten dempen het geluid niet direct, maar zorgen dat de motorkap het minder makkelijk door kan geven naar buiten. Anti-dreun-matten waren vroeger van bitumen gemaakt, net als wat in de binnenkant van onze 124-deuren zit, tegenwoordig is veel degelijker materiaal beschikbaar (ook bij ADMS). Niet heel de motorkap hoeft met anti-dreunplaten beplakt te worden, hier en daar een vlak in het midden van panelen is al erg effectief.

Motorgeluid tegenhouden is nooit 100% te doen omdat een motor in verbinding moet staan met de buitenlucht, maar met degelijk materiaal is wel een hoop tegen te houden en te dempen. Minder geluid onderweg maakt rijden minder vermoeiend en comfortabeler. En ik heb geen aandelen in ADMS, ik ben wel goed te spreken over de kwaliteit van de producten ;)

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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor JosW124 » vr feb 27, 2015 4:45 pm

Kijk, da'nou eens een goed verhaal,

Bedankt Erik!

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Re: Isolatiemateriaal motorkap

Berichtdoor Sebastiaancocoon » vr feb 27, 2015 7:47 pm

de diesel modellen hebben zoiezo al veel betere motor isolatie. gezien de binnenschermen etc allemaal bedekt zijn met een soort schuim waar als toplaag anti olie spul over zit. mijn 250D was van zich zelf een stuk stiller dan de 230CE. niet alleen motor geluid maar ook het rijgeluid
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