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Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » zo sep 10, 2017 6:59 pm

Beste mensen,

Van mijn trouwe W124 is vandaag de fuseekogel compleet los gebroken.
Hoop schade, niet leuk, kinderen vreselijk geschrokken.

Maar nu komt het; voor het gemak haal ik een andere draagarm en die moet er onder natuurlijk. Dat doe ik normaal allemaal zelf en zou geen probleem moeten zijn.
Maar net nu; ik heb een hernia en kan het dus niet. De auto is niet rolbaar meer en is door de berger bij een garagebox verderop gezet.
Mijn beste vriend gebeld; of hij wil helpen met de dingen waarbij wat kracht gezet moet worden......hij heeft het ook in zijn rug.

Het zit dus niet mee.
Mijn vraag; is er iemand in de omgeving Velsen in staat om mij te helpen? Uiteraard tegen vergoeding.
Tweede vraag; heeft iemand speciaal gereedschap om die lange veer in te binden? Mag ik dat van je huren?

Technische kennis is niet vereist; het is niet moeilijk en ik heb het zelf wel vaker gedaan. Ik kan een prima stukje zeeman aan de wal zijn ;)
Ik heb de auto nodig dus zou je mij willen helpen met één van de twee dingen of beide; heel graag!
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » ma sep 11, 2017 6:43 pm

Gebeurde bij het inparkeren zeker ?....of anders heb je veel geluk gehad Wim.
Ik heb het pas ook gehad...gelukkig bij het wegrijden.

Ik wil je wel adviseren er gelijk 2 nieuwe draagarmen onder te zetten...want die andere kant komt er ook aan hoor !! 99euro ps bij Steronderdelen.
en daarna wel goed laten uitlijnen.

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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » ma sep 11, 2017 6:59 pm

Dit is niet mijn auto ... maar zo moet het er ongeveer uit hebben gezien....nou dat wil je niet meemaken hoor.
en inderdaad met een goede veerspanner niet zoveel werk.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Frans D » ma sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm

Krijg je niet eerst speling vooraf, als aankondiging voor erger?
Vind het nogal wat dat dat zomaar afbreekt.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » ma sep 11, 2017 7:28 pm

Bedankt voor de reactie's.

Het gebeurde niet met inparkeren; ik reed 50 km/h door het dorp op een smal stuk.......rechts blokkeerde, auto scheef op straat, kinderen krijsen.......hoop gedoe!

Vooralsnog gooi ik er eerst een oude draagarm onder zodat ik hem heen en weer kan rollen en dan op een betere plaats ga ik twee nieuwe kogels erin persen.
Nu staat dat ding daar en moet ik wat; "even een andere draagarm".

Frans; geen zorgen hoor, je merkt ervoor wel dat er iets niet lekker is. Ik ben er gewoon te lang mee door gereden, eigen schuld.

Ik heb geen idee hoe ik een foto toe moet voegen........

Maar goed; ik ben nog wel steeds op zoek naar hulp en/of iemand die mij een veerspanner wil verhuren ;)
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor John.M » ma sep 11, 2017 8:59 pm

Eind oktober wil ik je er wel mee helpen hoor, kom ik wel een zaterdagje naar je toe


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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » ma sep 11, 2017 9:13 pm

Beste John,

Hartelijk bedankt voor je reactie en geweldige aaanbod; ik waardeer het zeer!

Helaas blokt de auto nu de garagebox van mijn schoonvader (sinds gistermiddag) en kreeg ik vanmorgen al de vraag wanneer ik dat ding nu eens weg ging halen.....
Komt bij dat ik nu een paar honderd kilometer per dag op benzine aan het weg tikken ben in een geleende auto van iemand die hem eigenlijk ook niet kan missen. (En het is dus best duur!)

Dus hoezeer ik het ook op prijs stel en hoe rot ik het vind om zo'n geweldig aanbod af te slaan; ik kan niet zo lang wachten.
Wel bedank nogmaals!
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » ma sep 11, 2017 9:34 pm

Als je zo dringend hulp nodig hebt is het misschien handig als je een woonomgeving in je profiel invult.
PB mij waar je woont dan zal ik voor je kijken of er iemand in jouw woonomgeving is die je kan helpen.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » ma sep 11, 2017 9:40 pm

Ja, dat is wel een sterke......dat heb ik nog niet gedaan; niet bij stil gestaan ook!
Doe ik direct, bedankt voor de tip!


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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor JosW124 » di sep 12, 2017 12:28 am

Heeft de vrouw ook eens gehad, Benz was net 100% goedgekeurd door de Franse keurmeester.....
Wie is er dan uiteindelijk verantwoordelijk?
Madame reed gelukkig stapvoets in de stad, wat als ze met volle chasse over de snelweg had gezwiert?
Waar zijn die technische keuringen, grotendeels uitgevoerd door een computerprogramma, dan uiteindelijk goed voor?
Ik kocht de Blauwe 250TD 1987 met Frans keuringsrapport, met vermelding van 12 aandachtspunten, dwz goed gekeurd, maar sommige dingen nog niet genoeg versleten om afgekeurd te worden.
Twee jaar later liet ik de Benz opnieuw verplicht keuren, en bij vergelijking van de twee keuringsrapporten, bleken er van de 12 aanmerkingen er nog maar 3 over te zijn.
De Benz had dus zichzelf gerepareerd gedurende 40.000km, of, die keuringen deugen gewoon niet.
Aan U de keuze......

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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor 300TDT » di sep 12, 2017 6:41 am

Als ik het goed zie draagt de hele auto op de fusekogel.... :blink:

Elke hobbel, drempel, gat in de weg krijg die kogel flink op zijn kl*ten :pinch:

Dan vraag ik mij toch wel af hoevaak is dit al gebeurd bij Mercedes... Zoiets wil je niet mee maken op de autobaan, kan je bijna niet meer na vertellen wat je dan is overkomen.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Gombal » di sep 12, 2017 7:59 am

APK of hoe een keuring ook ergens anders mag heten blijft mensen werk dus er zullen verschillen in zitten.
Bij veel auto's was of is de fuseekogel de enige verbinding. Als je echter een McPhersonpoot (veer over de schokdemper) hebt komt er veel minder kracht op. Bij onze Benzen zit de veer en schokdemper apart dus komt alle kracht van de veer op de fuseekogel.
9 van de 10 keer kondigt de fuseekogel ook aan dat hij versleten is, piepen of kraken bij insturen en inveren. Dan is het een kwestie van niet te lang mee blijven rijden en (laten) vervangen.
Doe je dit niet krijg je voorgaand verhaal. Het is een kwestie van onderhoud zoals bij elke auto.
Wat hierin helpt is het weten hoe je auto in elkaar zit, zeker met onze oude beestjes en ook zeker als je het onderhoud zelf doet.
Zoals de TS zelf al schrijft, hij is er simpelweg te lang mee door gereden terwijl hij het wist. Dus geen slechte auto of slecht ontwerp, gewoon luisteren naar wat de auto je vertelt ;) .
(Je hebt aan bovenstaand verhaal niets qua hulp, jammer genoeg woon je aan de andere kant van het land bijna en heb je je auto snel nodig en heb ik heel weinig tijd anders was het wisselen geen probleem. 2 sleutels 22, 2 sleutels 18/19 en een veerspanner, uurtje werk mits de bouten niet vast zitten in de rubbers van je draagarm.)

Je kan natuurlijk ook vragen of er iemand in de buurt een tooltje heeft om een fuseekogel te wisselen, is waarschijnlijk minder of net zoveel werk, hoeft je draagarm er niet uit en blijft je sporing intact. Bij draagarm wisselen moet je de excenters aan de binnenzijde van de draagarm goed markeren en op exact dezelfde plek terug zetten.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » di sep 12, 2017 9:38 am

Bedankt voor de reactie's beste mensen.

Tja, zo'n tooltje voor de kogel zelf had ik ook al aan gedacht, maar de hele arm heeft behoorlijk op zijn donder gehad gezien ik er zelf overheen gereden ben en hij ook nog eens op de sleepwagen bleef hangen. Die vertrouw ik dus ook niet echt meer.

Misschien lukt het ook wel zonder veerspanner; ik heb het een keer gedaan op de brug zonder spanner namelijk. Een ketting eraan voor als hij weg springt en voorzichtig de arm steeds verder laten zakken......ken net ;)


Voor wat betreft APK's; daar kan ik een boek over schrijven! Zelf ben ik sinds 1992 keurmeester en heb wel wat meegemaakt bij verschillende bedrijven.
Omdat ik nu niet meer in een garage werk en dus geen ki nummer heb, kan ik mijn eigen auto niet afmelden en ben dus afhankelijk van anderen.
Maar ik zie het ook vaak als familie, vrienden en kennissen hun auto ergens laten keuren; er wordt maar wat gedaan.
Soms is het onkunde door het niet goed weten van de regels en keurt men het voor de zekerheid maar af.
Soms is het gewoon streng keuren zodat "we wat kunnen verdienen".......zelfs bij "nette dealer bedrijven".

Ik maak het zelf mee met een garagebedrijf hier in de buurt; de eigenaar zat bij mij in de klas op de monteursopleiding.
Hij keurt een wisserblad af omdat de punt van het rubber een beetje los zit; dat is de laatste jaren geen afkeur meer. Regel is dat hij goed moet wissen en dat is ter beoordeling van de keurmeester; dat kan dus een discussie worden.
Ik vraag hem waarom hij zo moeilijk doet en hij zegt doodleuk; "maar je snapt toch wel dat ik ook wat moet verdienen?"
Tegen mij; hij weet dat ik alles zelf doe!

Of een afkeur omdat hij niet door de viergasmeting kwam........ik moest hem in zijn eigen regelboek aanwijzen waar het stond dat de mijne dat niet hoefde........

Maar een mooi voorbeeld wat best vaak voorkomt zijn remleidingen.
De regel is; de keurmeester pakt een stuk waar het meeste roest zit en krabt/schuurt een stukje schoon.
Zit er puntvormig op het schone deel; afkeur. Is het glad; goedkeur.
Hoe vaak gebeurt het niet dat hij afgekeurd wordt en dat het "schoongemaakt moet worden om hem door de APK heen te krijgen"?
Mensen worden op pad gestuurd met hun auto om dit te doen of de garage doet het, maar de hele leiding moet geschuurd worden en in de tectyl gezet worden.
Dat kan niet! Als er puntvormig in zit, is het een afkeur; OOK als je het maskeert ;)
Als er géén puntvormig is, is hij goed en hoef je niet de hele leiding te ontroesten. Dat is je eigen zorg of je dat wilt doen of niet.

Maar veel mensen weten niet eens dat je een herkeuring in beroep aan kan vragen, durven het niet omdat ze niet zeker van hun zaak zijn of denken dat de RDW toch wel op de hand is van het garagebedrijf (iets wat zeker niet zo is!)
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor John.M » di sep 12, 2017 9:51 am

Alleen de fuseekogel kan ik op een avond wel doen, Haarlem is voor mij niet zo heel ver.
Neem wel een goeie, of bij de dealer vandaan of een "LEMFORDER"
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » di sep 12, 2017 11:07 am

In principe is iedereen nu beantwoord.
Lijkt misschien raar in de topic als ik niets terug schrijf, maar is via pb/mail gedaan.
Omdat ik nieuw ben is er een goedkeuring nodig, dus dit loopt wat achterop is sneller.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor SanderDTCH » za sep 16, 2017 10:30 pm

Heel herkenbaar..aantal jaren geleden dit gedonder ook gehad en gelukkig geen schade verders omdat ik een rotonde opkwam rijden met 25 km en pats..Maar de kogels zelf vervangen is niet moeilijk..Met de juiste tool is het zo gebeurd..


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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Wietse » zo sep 17, 2017 10:38 am

Heftig verhaal betreft afbreken fuseekogel, daar neem ik geen risico in als ik wat hoor of voel. Een keer met mijn 300TD hoorde ook wat tikken, kon het niet vinden. Dus lekker naar mijn APK mannetje gereden met de vraag of hij wilde kijken. Het bleek een stuurkogeltje te zijn en dus niet zo heftig als een fusee.
Mijn APK mannetje zet altijd een koevoet onder de fusee, en ik mag er zelf ook aan voelen, ( voel natuurlijk niks) , al met al als ex keurmeester vind ik doorrijden niet zo verstandig, je moet beter weten.
En ik als hobby monteur neemt zeker ook geen risico met spiraalveren aan de voorzijde.
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » zo sep 17, 2017 2:06 pm

Ben ook wel nieuwsgierig of de wagen nog steeds voor de garage van schoonpapa staat :geek:
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » ma sep 18, 2017 3:04 pm

Top!
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Re: Fuseekogel; hulp vraag.

Berichtdoor Interceptor101 » ma sep 18, 2017 9:57 pm

Excuses voor mijn late reactie beste mensen.

Hoewel ik zelf nagenoeg niets gedaan heb, is die dag toch niet in mijn koude kleren gaan zitten en heb ik sindsdien ziek op bed gelegen (rug, griep ook nog eens) en later nog wat problemen in huis; fatsoenlijk achter de laptop zitten om een berichtje te schrijven was er domweg even niet bij.

Afijn, Richard scheef het al; helemaal top! Hij rijdt weer als een nieuwe en de garagebox is vrij. Vooral dat laatste vond schoonpapa wel belangrijk, ik niet ;)
Maar hulde en nogmaals enorme dank aan Richard voor de uiterst vakkundige hulp; zonder jou had hij er zeker nog gestaan!
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