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(Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » vr dec 08, 2017 6:56 pm

Beste mensen,

Ik heb jullie advies nodig.

Ik zit met een koude startprobleem bij mijn 230E. In de afgelopen tijd had ik al wat problemen met starten van de auto en op een gegeven startte die pas na 5x draaien aan de sleutel en vervolgens startte die helemaal niet meer.

Bij de garage waar ik de afgelopen 2 weken mijn Mercedes heb liggen hebben we de OVP, de spinnekop en de gasklephuis, de brandstofpomp en de temperatuursensor vervangen. Geen hiervan heeft geholpen. De bougies, kabels, rotor en verdelerkap zijn enkele maanden geleden al vervangen. Er is tevens wat lucht getapt als het ware.

We weten het niet meer eigenlijk. De Brandstofpomp is gemeten in de zin van benzine toevoer, daarvan komt de Bar uit op 3 Bar. We dachten dat het hieraan lag. Wie weet hoe hoog deze druk die vanuit de pomp komt moet zijn?

In de forum heb ik ook niet direct kunnen vinden wat de oplossing kan zijn in mijn geval.

Alle advies is welkom. Alvast dank.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » vr dec 08, 2017 7:09 pm

Komt er brandstof uit de injectoren en is er een vonk op de bougies ?
waarschijnlijk zijn er 2e hands onderdelen gebruikt bij vervanging...is de EHA ook vervangen?...gasklephuis incl potmeter?
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » vr dec 08, 2017 7:17 pm

Volgens mij moet de brandstofdruk 5.3/5.5 zijn...ik verdenk de EHA....heb je deze vervangen of kun je deze uitwisselen voor een andere ?
In de aanvoer naar de spinnekop zit een zeefje/filtertje...zit deze niet dicht ?
http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/MB%2 ... 3-1603.pdf

dit pdf is voor de m103 maar de m102 is qua brandstofdruk hetzelfde denk ik.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » vr dec 08, 2017 8:42 pm

Dank voor de reactie.

Uit de injectoren komt er geen benzine heb ik begrepen. Daarnaast is de EHA de Spinnekop gasklephuis compleet vervangen. Er komt wel vonk uit de bougies.

Ik zou niet weten hoe het zit met dat zeefje.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor ReinierD » za dec 09, 2017 1:21 pm

Minimaal 4 atm. Je hebt CIS injectoren, die verstuiven pas boven de 4 atmosfeer. Als deze cis het eerder doen zijn ze kapot.
Als je start pompt de benzinepomp de druk op 6 atm, start je niet meer zakt de benzine druk tot 4 dus en die hoort in stand te blijven als de motor poosje met rust gelaten wordt. Als je vonk heb zou ik de benzinedrukken controleren (T stukje maken en met drukmetertje van je bandenpomp bijvoorbeeld).
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » zo dec 10, 2017 10:29 pm

dank voor de reactie Reinier.

in het weekend heb ik het druk gehad. ik zal jouw advies even aankaarten bij mijn monteur. bedankt nog
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Hulzie » ma dec 11, 2017 5:32 am

Tankfilter niet verstopt?
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » ma dec 11, 2017 10:51 pm

Ik ben zelf nou niet de techneut onder ons moet ik zeggen maar ik heb me laten vertellen dat er iets van lucht is getapt. weet niet exact waar en hoe.

De ontsteking bougies, kabels, rotor en de verdelerkap zijn allemaal nieuw van Bosch. Maar ik zal het even aangeven bij mijn monteur.

Alle andere onderdelen heb ik me laten vertellen dat het allemaal werkende onderdelen zijn. Ze zijn niet nieuw.

Ik zal ieder advies meenemen uiteraard. Met een niet startende auto is het nogal lastig om andere deskundigen op te zoeken die wellicht ook niet in de buurt zijn.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » ma dec 11, 2017 10:52 pm

Tank filter zullen we ook even bekijken.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » ma dec 11, 2017 10:52 pm

Dank jullie wel voor de reacties.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Hulzie » di dec 12, 2017 5:30 am

Accu laten doormeten, je bent 100% startvermogen nodig, geen 95% dan doet ik ook koud raar en warm loopt ie goed.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » di dec 12, 2017 6:11 pm

Je hebt gelijk Richard....maar ook als de potmeter op contact meer als 1.0 volt aangeeft of als het Duty cycle te ver links of rechts (buiten startbereik) staat krijg je de motor met geen mogelijkheid aan de praat.

Dus we weten niet waar ze allemaal aan hebben zitten draaien/afstellen...een beetje garage test eerst of er brandstof/vonk/lucht is...zoniet dan kun je het schudden.

geen of een zwakke vonk kan duiden op een slechte bobine of ontstekingsmodule of beide (aannemende dat de rest van de ontsteking nieuw is )

en misschien een rare opmerking maar...zit er wel benzine in de tank...je zal niet de eerste zijn .
Als het gasklephuis incl EHA / spinnekop/potmeter is vervangen door een 100% goede uit een rijdende auto dan moet de motor starten...zoniet dan kan je de oude seting wel weer terug plaatsen en verder zoeken.

Datgene wat Richard zegt kun je nog even proberen...de plaat op het gasklephuis een heel klein beetje indrukken 2a3mm en dan een ander laten starten.....ook even de stappenmotor testen of hij open gaat (klikt) tijdens op contact/starten.

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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » ma dec 18, 2017 2:48 pm

Hallo allemaal,

Afgelopen tijd heb ik helaas niet veel kunnen doen aan de auto of laten doen. Ik heb het erg druk in mijn prive omgeving. Komende tijd wil ik het weer oppakken. Volgens mijn monteur kan het liggen aan de koude startventiel. Die zal binnenkort nog vervangen worden.

Ik neem de adviezen mee. Als ik erbij ben zal ik aankaarten en de nodige tests laten uitvoeren.

Bedankt!
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » ma dec 18, 2017 5:18 pm

Uitschakelen dat koudstartventiel....(stekkertje los halen)....een vervuild ventiel doet meer fout dan goed bij de koudstart.....en heeft niks met de koudloop te maken...hij injecteerd maar een paar seconden ..maar net lang genoeg om een paar bougies te verzuipen.

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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor Micha12345 » di dec 19, 2017 12:56 am

Als je in de buurt venlo woont wil ik er wel naar kijken (gratis) want je zit lukraak onderdelen te vervangen terwijl het daarlijk iets kleins is.
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » za dec 23, 2017 11:13 am

Micha dank je wel voor het aanbod. Ik zit inderdaad in Zuid-Holland.

Maar ik heb goed nieuws, het probleem is verholpen. Het lag aan de Brandstofpomp is gebleken.

Ik dank jullie allen voor het advies!
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Re: (Koude) startprobleem 230E

Berichtdoor nuri44 » di dec 26, 2017 1:20 am

Hallo,

De oude Spinnenkop is weer geplaatst en toen deed die het wel met de tweedehands geplaatste brandstofpomp. Waarschijnlijk had die nieuwe Spinnenkop een afstelling nodig is er geconcludeerd.
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