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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Groen200D » za mei 02, 2015 12:28 pm

Mocht iemand een goed adresje weten waar ze de verstuivers op 122 bar kunnen afstellen en pomptiming kunnen vervroegen hoor ik het graag. via pm kan ook

Vanwege een lekkage op de injectie pomp zal er toch een en anders los moeten en nu met meer dan 250.000 km op de teller wou ik meteen de nozzels ook maar vernieuwen dan.

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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » di mei 24, 2016 7:17 pm

Even een oud topic afstoffen.

Via MP een verstuivertester van '' gevonden, nu €95,- voor de 400 bar versie.
Deze ben ik van plan te kopen, tenzij iemand een betere suggestie heeft?

Waar kan ik de stelplaatjes kopen? En wat zijn de beste nozzles? (geen Bosch)
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Hulzie » di mei 24, 2016 10:49 pm

Dat is een goede, die heb ik ook.
Stelplaatsjes heb ik gekocht via een Duitse onderdelen site, heb de link zo niet, maar moet met zoekwerk hier nog wel te vinden zijn. ben de link kwijt doordat ik een nieuwe pc heb.
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Hulzie » wo mei 25, 2016 9:35 am

S 430 V8 automaat.


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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo mei 25, 2016 10:01 am

Bedankt Hulzie!

Ik zie dat je er ook brandplaatjes kan krijgen naast de stelplaatjes.

Maar eh, de veer in de verstuiver, waar kan ik dat kopen?
Dat zal ook wel eens vernieuwd moeten worden?
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Hulzie » wo mei 25, 2016 10:15 am

Rest van de onderdelen heb ik altijd via steronderdelen.nl . Heb geen slechte ervaringen met andere merken gehad, je ziet het vanzelf aan de wolk bij het afpersen of het mooi en goed is al of niet, daarnaast doe ik het elk jaar, dus slijtage verneem ik niet.

Kan zijn dat ik het dit jaar nog eenmaal doe, daar ik APK heb tot 7 december 2017, en dan dwingt Den Haag me een andere te kopen door het milieu gedoe daar mijn kinderen in de grote steden wonen en ik luxe wil blijven rijden zolang ik me dat kan permitteren natuurlijk, en ik ben gek met Mercedes, het zal dan een S 400 CDI of S 320 CDI of soortgelijk worden van ca 3 jaar oud helaas. Maar ook bij de opvolger blijf ik alles in eigen beheer houden, ik koop gewoon uitlees gereedschap erbij en de rest ook. De kennis is een deel van mijn vak, ben ik niet bang voor.
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Blauweaaf » wo mei 25, 2016 10:42 am

Verstuivers afpersen, dat is een van de klussen die ik tot nu toe maar heb uitgesteld. Zouden jullie ervoor voelen, om daar in iets gezamenlijks te doen? Een keer een dag deel reserveren, en dan van een aantal auto's de verstuivers opfrissen? Voor mij geldt: als ik het aan een garage moet overlaten, vind ik het eigenlijk niet leuk, en te duur. Maar als ik alles zelf moet doen, dan lukt het ook niet. Een gezamenlijke workshop dat lijkt me super.

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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Hulzie » wo mei 25, 2016 10:49 am

Die hebben we vele jaren gehad, sleutelcub Blesdijke met leden uit het gehele land, incl schuur, loods, hefbrug etc etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuw1xML_N1w
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo mei 25, 2016 12:50 pm

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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » ma jul 23, 2018 6:25 pm

Waar kan je de juiste drukveren (compression spring) kopen voor in de verstuivers?
Op de foto is zo'n drukveer te zien ter voorbeeld
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Gombal » ma jul 23, 2018 8:32 pm

Hier bijvoorbeeld en misschien nog wel ergens anders.
http://www.dieselkontor.de/product_info ... ts_id=2542
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo jul 25, 2018 8:08 pm

Bedankt voor jullie reacties, daar kan ik wat mee.

@RD500sec: Dat hoedje, is dat de zwischenscheibe?

http://www.monopoel.de/catalog/zwischen ... p-600.html
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Gombal » wo jul 25, 2018 10:59 pm

Het hoedje wat Richard bedoeld is de thrustpin, weet zo gauw niet de Nederlandse of Duitse benaming. Waar jij naar linkt is de tussenschijf, ook niet verkeerd om meteen mee te vervangen.
Bij Monopoel hebben ze de thrustpin niet los.
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » do jul 26, 2018 3:51 pm

thx, ik weet 123 ook de vertaling van de thrustpin niet maar met de howto van dieselgiant kan ik altijd een plaatje naar een dieselspecialist/onderdelenshop sturen.

Ik overweeg een andere manometer met een andere schaal (250 ipv 600) voor meer detail.
Een schaal van 160 kan ook voor de W124, maar dat werkt niet met verstuivers voor een W210 E300turbodiesel (inspuitdruk 185). En die mogelijkheid ook de verstuivers van een OM606turbo te kunnen afpersen vind ik wel aardig.

Hebben jullie ervaring met een manometer met schaal 250 en/of 160 ?
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Berichtdoor Gombal » do jul 26, 2018 5:16 pm

Ja, heb de manometer ook gewisseld voor een 160 bar exemplaar, was 600 bar. Maakt het gewoon makkelijker en nauwkeuriger afleesbaar. Heb wel een gevulde manometer nu, heb de olie deels eruit gehaald totdat hij snel reageerde maar niet meer met de naald heen en weer sloeg, dat is ook een stuk prettiger afstellen.
De 600 bar manometer was ongevuld en sloeg ook heen en weer op het moment van openen van de verstuiver.
Nu werkt het gewoon makkelijker en beter.
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » vr jul 27, 2018 12:23 pm

Een schaal met 160bar is i.d.d wel weer nauwkeuriger dan 250bar wanneer je 125-135 bar afperst. Misschien dan toch maar 160bar manometer kopen en wat de toekomst brengt aan wagenpark met de daarvoor optimale manometer zien we dan wel weer.
Er schijnen zelfs 150bar manometers te zijn, zie de volgende howto om zelf een tester te bouwen:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/gen ... ester.html

Zie ook de bijlage

Nog meer zelfbouwprojecten van gereedschap vind je hier: http://www.homemadetools.net/category/automotive

De manometer met glycerine gevuld leek me al een goede zet. Dat je er beter wat glycerine uit kan laten lopen, en dat dat kan, wist ik nog niet. Wijst zich dat vanzelf of moet je een gaatje boren en weer afdichten? Wederom bedankt voor de leerzame tip.


Is er nog een goede reden om de 600bar verstuivertester te kopen, of volstaat de 400bar versie?
400 bar kan het op papier prima doen, maar misschien is er toch een technische reden dat de 600bar versie beter/fijner is om mee te werken?
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Gombal » vr jul 27, 2018 1:30 pm

Boven op de manometer zit een rubberen dopje wat je normaal gesproken door moet prikken of het tuitje af moet knippen om te zorgen dat hij goed aangeeft ivm veranderende buitenluchtdruk.
Dit kun je er zo uit wippen. Heb toen alles eruit laten lopen in een schoon schaaltje. Daarna met een willekeurige verstuiver steeds getest en steeds een aantal ml glycerine terug erin gedaan. Net zolang totdat de meter snel en zonder springen aangaf.
Rest van de glycerine in een schoon afgesloten potje bewaard mocht ik het nog eens nodig hebben.

Wilde ook een 400 bar exemplaar hebben maar het 600 bar exemplaar was op dat moment goedkoper. Denk dat er weinig tot geen verschil tussen zit. Wilde een 400 bar exemplaar voor de nauwkeurigheid van de meter maar dat is nu nog beter opgelost.

Manometer kwam ik op MP tegen, bedrijfje uit Rotterdam wat eigenlijk meer voor de vaart leverde.

Wilde zelf ook mijn tester maken maar voor 100 euro heb ik er maar 1 gekocht, wist ik zeker dat hij het deed. Met meer als 100 bar wil ik geen afbrekende, kapotbarstende of lekke spullen hebben, is als je pech hebt niet goed voor je gezondheid.
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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » vr jul 27, 2018 2:44 pm

Eens, zelfbouw is mooi maar ook ik sla wat dat betreft even over.
Voor de volledigheid van het topic en als interessant leesvoer had ik de links en bijlage toegevoegd.

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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo aug 15, 2018 4:27 pm

De verstuivers op exact de juiste druk te kunnen zetten vind ik belangrijk.
Nu zie ik daar binnen mijn budget twee mogelijkheden voor.

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Re: Verstuivers afpersen

Berichtdoor Gombal » wo aug 15, 2018 6:28 pm

Als je een manometer koopt met een lagere druk koop dan een 100 mm, even groot als de originele manometer. 63 mm is toch een stuk kleiner en rottiger af lezen.
Voor de rest is het een kwestie van persoonlijke voorkeur. Ik vind mijn 160 bar, 100 mm manometer erg prettig, de schaalverdeling is makkelijker af te lezen als bij een 600 bar exemplaar, hoe nauwkeurig die er daar ook op staat.
Maar nogmaals, dat is een kwestie van eigen voorkeur.
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