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vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » za maart 23, 2019 10:38 pm

vandaag weer even bezig geweest met de automaat bak van de 250D automaat , pompje gevonden wat op de brandstofpomp zit geschroefd
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dit is het pompje
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maar hij doet niets zelfs een vloei erop gehouden en hij zuigt niet
wie weet er een oplossing??
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor Gombal » zo maart 24, 2019 12:08 am

Dat is geen pompje, dat is je VCV, vacuüm control valve.
Je vacuümpomp zit voor op je motor, waar ook de dikke slang op zit die naar je rembekrachtiger gaat.
De slang aan de zijkant van de VCV loopt naar binnen en zuigt daar gewoon lucht aan.
1 van de 2 aansluitingen bovenop komt van de echte vacuümpomp, de andere loopt naar iets op je automatenbak.
Dez VCV regelt het vacuüm naar je versnellingsbak aan de hand van de stand van de injectie pomp.
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » zo maart 24, 2019 12:20 am

hij doet dus niks
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor Gombal » zo maart 24, 2019 12:29 am

Heb je vacuüm op de slang welke naar de VCV gaat?
Zoja, in de VCV zit een rubber membraan, dat kan kapot zijn en er zitten nog wat onderdeeltjes in.
Weet niet waar je je vloeitje opgehouden hebt?
(En ik neem aan dat je het getest hebt met draaiende motor, anders heb je geen vacuüm)
Heb geen verstand van automaten e.d. maar neem aan dat hij dan niet erg fijn schakelt zonder werkende VCV.
Sluit eerst in ieder geval uit dat je geen lekkages in de slangetjes hebt, de rubberen verbindingsstukken worden na zoveel jaar poreus en scheuren.
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » zo maart 24, 2019 1:42 pm

fijn schakelen doet hij inderdaad niet , deze week al nieuwe olie en filter erin , was even iets beter maar is nu weer ruk, daarom ben ik gisteren verder gaan zoeken , en inderdaad met lopende motor gedaan ,maar volgens mij ook op de aanvoer leiding geen vacuum , denk dat ze een foutje hebben gemaakt met motorwissel van 20 klepper naar 10klepper ,dus maar weer ff verder zoeken ,bedankt voor het mee denken
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » di maart 26, 2019 10:10 pm

vandaag weer eens rustig gekeken ,en ik zag dat het slangetje van het eerste groene potje aangesloten was op de onderste aansluiting , kreeg dus nergens vacuum vandaan ,toen zag ik boven de waterpomp zeg maar nog een afgetopte slang lopen en heb daar het slangetje van het eerste potje op gezet , schakelt nu vloeiend en slipt erg ,dus morgen maar weer de accumulator op de bak afstellen <( had ik zover mogelijk naar rechts gedraaid vanwege het bonken , dus nu terug draaien en kijken wat er gebeurt )
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Berichtdoor johnny5 » wo maart 27, 2019 9:48 pm

jammer dat er niemand reageert dus verder zoeken waar hij dan wel op moet

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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor Gombal » wo maart 27, 2019 11:17 pm

Staat hier al ergens meer op het forum maar nu nog een keer, neem eens een kijkje in bijgevoegde pdf ;) .
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » do maart 28, 2019 10:25 am

Dank je , ze hebben de 20 klepper vervangen door een 10 klepper uit 1990 , dus ik denk dat er diverse vacuum leidingen niet daar zitten waar ze horen te zitten :shock: dus is het een zoekplaatje , nadeel is dat de auto elke dag gebruikt word dus moet ik elke keer ff snel tussen door kijken ( ben wel snel geworden met het luchtfilterhuis eraf en erop zetten :-) ) ik denk dat ik nu ik alle info heb de twee diagrammen naast elkaar ga leggen en kijken hoe of wat ,
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » do maart 28, 2019 10:43 am

na het bestuderen van alle schema,s denk ik dat er een verkeerde vcv op zit , omdat bij alle schema,s er maar 1 potje op zit en ik er twee op heb zitten , twee potjes bovenop en 1 aan de voorkant die gewoon loos is ( hoort volgens mij niet zo ) afijn nu eerst maar naar het ziekenhuis en dan morgen weer verder met het raadsel :-)
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » ma apr 08, 2019 11:29 pm

weer verder geplozen , en nu kwam ik erachter dat het slangetje naar de automaat op het achterste potje zat , die verwisselt , met het voorste potje , toen vacuum gepakt vanaf de vacuümpomp aan de voorkant van de motor ,en toen bleef hij overal in slippen , toen zag ik dat er overal gekleurde tussen stukjes tussen horen te zitten , en toevallig zat erbij dat loze slangetje aan de voorkant van de vcv een geel tussenstukje op die ertussen gezet bij de aanvoer vanaf de voorkant van de motor , en als ik rustig rij dan schakelt hij boterzacht ,maar als ik meer gas geef dan slipt hij tussen 2 en 3 ,kan ik wel opvangen met gas geven maar dat zal niet de bedoeling zijn , dus wie weet welke tussenkleur er tussen de aanvoer leiding moet en waar gaat die ( nu ) loze leiding heen vanaf de voorkant van de vcv?? kan ik niet zien op de schema,s
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » di apr 16, 2019 11:03 pm

wie heeft er een vacuum meter op het forum?? die ik even mag lenen zodat ik kan kijken of de VCV werkt ?
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Berichtdoor johnny5 » do apr 18, 2019 8:49 pm

waar zit je ergens , dichtbij schagen is een rekbaar begrip :-)
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Berichtdoor johnny5 » vr apr 19, 2019 9:14 am

PB gestuurd
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » ma apr 22, 2019 1:58 pm

net bericht van richard gelezen in mijn normale postvak , maar net als de PB,s van richard ,geen melding hier op het forum,dus ook geen berichtjes , raar ??
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richard ik zal vanavond eens kijken waar die bruine slang van is die vanaf de rembekrachtigings slang komt ( volgens mij is die van het contactslot )
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor Gombal » ma apr 22, 2019 3:50 pm

Er gaat bij de "nieuwere" types idd een bruine slang vanaf het terugslagklepje in de rembekrachtiging vacuüm leiding naar het luchtcilindertje aan je contactslot. Vanaf dat cilindertje loopt er weer een bruine naar het stoppotje op je injectie pomp.
Bij de oudere versies takte het gewoon af van de kleine aansluiting op de pomp maar daardoor ging de motor soms moeilijk of vertraagd uit als je een klein lekje ergens had. Op de nieuwe manier hebben ze dat geëlimineerd.
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor Gombal » ma apr 22, 2019 6:54 pm

O, even in het logboek van mijn 250D gezocht, je vacuümpomp moet makkelijk -750 mbar kunnen trekken.
Staat ook in de Mercedes documentatie.
Bijgevoegd ook het bewijs van mijn pomp toendertijd, gemeten rechtstreeks op de pomp, kleine aansluiting.
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » wo apr 24, 2019 4:20 pm

Investeer in zo'n handpompje, kost een paar 10tjes en kun je vaak gebruiken bij je MB. Bijvoorbeeld al op lekkages, maar ook of die pomp z'n onderdruk nog wel haalt. Je kunt er heel veel mee uitsluiten in plaats van klagen over berichten in je topic.
Waar je zelf nog niks over verteld hebt: de vacuummodulator op de bak zou je nog in of uit schroeven. Heb je daar iets mee bereikt? Heb je ook naar de basis instelling gezocht, bijvoorbeeld op dit forum?
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor johnny5 » wo apr 24, 2019 6:21 pm

JantjeV8 dingen die ik doe en niets opleveren zijn het vermelden niet waard volgens mij , modulator verstellen ( heb ik wel gedaan hoor ) heeft weinig nut als de druk er niet is , eerst moet het ene goed zijn en dan verder zoeken
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Re: vacuum pompje

Berichtdoor w126560td » wo apr 24, 2019 11:34 pm

:angry: :angry: Even een trukje wat ik zelf heb toegepast op mijn 300 turbo diesel.

Mijn auto had een te hoge vacuum druk op mijn automaat en via mijn vacuum modulator was dit niet aftestellen.

Vacuum moest minder daarom heb ik een naald gepakt en een paar gaatjes geprikt in de zachte stuk van de vacuun leiding welke naar de bak loopt. Zo heb ik mijn automaatbak perfect kunnen afstellen boterzacht en loopt al 3 jaar super. Als je te veel gaatjes prikt kun je met tape de gaatjes weer dicht plakken.

Op deze bericht zal bepaalde comentaar komen dat dit niet zo hoort. Maar het werkt wel goed. Alleen op diesel versies toepasbaar. Benzine modelen zullen rare verschijnselen krijgen.

Zoals je omschrijft een slippende automaat wijst op te hoge bak druk.....makkelijk op te lossen eigenlijk. Ik heb deze trukje gevoelsmatig uitgevoerd zonder meet apparatuur maar met een beetje gevoel, kennis, beleid kan het niet zo moeilijk zijn om je automaat aftestellen.

Het kan natuurlijk ook zo zijn dat je rembanden versleten zijn dan is dit niet op optelossen met je bak druk (of gedeeltelijk)
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