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Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » di jul 09, 2019 1:52 am

Ten eerste weet ik dat er veel is geschreven over automaat problemen.

Om603 turbo diesel 4 traps automaat rijd altijd weg in de 1 ste versnelling

Ik heb sinds kort het volgende probleem. In de eerste versnelling loopt de auto door tot minimaal 2300 rpm ook al stel ik de bowden kabel helemaal los. Strakker reageert die wel maar onder de 2300 rpm kom ik niet. Voorheen schakelde die veel lager. Ik merk ook dat mijn automaat niet meer goed terug schakeld. Bijvoorbeeld als die in zijn 3 zit en ik ben bijna tot stilstand gekomen en ik geef weer gas dan blijft die in zijn 3. Dit is ook het geval als die in zijn 4 zit. Als ik helemaal stop dan gaat die wel weer via zijn eerste versnelling. Als ik vlink gas geef bij lage snelheid en hij zit in de 4 of 3 dan schakeld hij wel terug maar dit gaat heel ruw.

Kickdown reageert wel goed en dit gaat zonder ruw schakelen. Kickdown module zit niet vast of is niet kapot.

Eerste probleem is dat ik een te hoge toerental heb in de eerste versnelling. Bowden kabel los nog steeds hoog.

Tweede probleem is dat mijn auto niet goed terug schakeld dit mieschien omdat mijn bowden kabel los afgestelt is maar als ik hem strak zet dan schakeld die heelbruw terug. Opschakelen is wel soft alleen van de 1 naar 2 beetje ruw maar dat was altijd al.

vacuüm kan ik heel makkelijk manupuleren via een gaatje in de vacuüm leiding deze kan ik hoger en lager zetten.

Olie is circa 35.000 km oud ziet er nog knal rood uit.
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » di jul 09, 2019 1:53 am

Net nog even een testritje gemaakt met kickdown schakelaar los geen resultaat. Bowden kabel steeds strakker en losser geprobeerd toerental reageert wel bij de 2 3 4 versnelling maar bij de eerste versnelling krijg ik hem niet lager wel hoger.

Ook heb ik iets bijzonders gemerkt wanneer mijn auto van de 1 naar de 2 gaat schakeld die ondmiddelijk naar de drie. Soms lijkt het zelfs dat hij de 2 overslaat of wilt overslaan en 1 naar 3 gaat zo snel gaat dat en dat hoort niet. En hij rijd 100% in zijn 1 weg dat is wel in orde.

Olie is circa 35.000 km oud kan ook iets afwijken want mijn afstand teller werkt niet kan ook rond de 40.000 liggen.

Ik wil morgen mijn automaat olie en filter vervangen. Kan de bovenstaande probleem door een verstopte filter kunnen komen. Kleur van de olie is knal rood. Of moet ik bij dit probleem meer aan K pistons denken dat eentje is gesneuveld ofsow aangezien het schakel gedrag van 1 naar 3 net of die 2 niet wilt doen soms wel soms niet...? PLease help me


Omdat mijn bak in de eerste versnelling blijft hangen en meer snelheid maakt schakeld die gelijk over naar de 3 denk ik. Het probleem zit denk ik in de eerste versnelling.

Mieschien ook belangrijk te vermelden een paar dagen geleden wilde ik mijn auto van de d naar de p zetten en ik kreeg hem niet in de p. Het leek ofdat iets de pook blokeerde. Na 2 x proberen ging die wel in zijn p. Daarna geen last meer gehad van dit probleem. Echter is mijn schakel probleem na die dag begonnen.
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Berichtdoor w126560td » di jul 09, 2019 9:54 am

Vandaag is onder de auto gelegen. Geen uitwendige olie lekage. Olie peil ok. Ik heb de bowden kabel helemaal losgekoppeld aan de motor kant. Toerental blijft hoog in de 1 ste versenelling en hij bonkt met over schakelen. Bonken doet die alleen van 1 naar 2 gelijk 3. Bowden kabel reageert wel op de 2 3 4 versnelling als ik hem losmaak maar op de 1 versnelling niet daar blijft die echt in hangen. Als ik de bowden kabel heel strak zet dan reageerd die ook op de 1 ste versnelling met een nog hogere toerental en hardere bonk met gevolg.


Bowden kabel loopt gewoon heel soepel trekt zich ook gelijk terug..

Ik wil eigenlijk olie wisselen en nieuwe filter maar ben aan het wachten op een deskundige advies van een van de forumleden
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Berichtdoor w126560td » di jul 09, 2019 1:35 pm

Vandaag even langs een paar automaat specialisten geweest. Volgens hun is mijn mechanische brein niet meer goed.??
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Berichtdoor MB280E » di jul 09, 2019 6:18 pm

Zou beginnen met K1 en k2 piston te vervangen. Staat genoeg geschreven op het W126 forum. Kosten geen drol en is eenvoudig.
de codes van de pistons
K1: 126 270 44 77
K2: 126 270 05 35 of 126 270 04 35
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Berichtdoor w126560td » di jul 09, 2019 7:52 pm

Zijn deze ook geschikt voor mijn auto om603 turbo wat voor nummer mijn bak heeft weet ik nuet
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Berichtdoor MB280E » di jul 09, 2019 10:49 pm

In geval van de originele automaat wel. K2 moet bekeken worden en is afhankelijk van baknr.
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Berichtdoor w126560td » di jul 09, 2019 11:05 pm

Ik zal is morgen onder de auto kijken wat mijn baknummer is. Aangezien ik een andere motor en bak op mijn auto heb zitten is dit niet te traceren via mijn chasinummer. Waar ergens staat mijn baknummer (op mijn bak)
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » wo jul 10, 2019 1:20 pm

Ik heb een beetje zitten lezen over de k1 en k2 piston de k1 zou voor de overschakeling van 2 naar 3 en k2 van 3 naar 4. Mijn probleem zit echter in de eerdte versnelling. Van 1 naar 2. Welke piston miet ik dan hebben of vervangen. Ik heb iets gelezen over een b2 piston en deze zou wel verband hebben met de eerste versnelling. Ik weet eigenlijk vrijwel niks over deze pistons. Maar ik wil graag op advies van jullie de benodigde acties ondernemen. Later op de dag zal ik proberen mijn baknunmer te vermelden. Alvast bedankt voor het meedenken
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » wo jul 10, 2019 3:16 pm

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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » do jul 11, 2019 8:12 am

Ik heb mijn probleem ook op het W126 geformuleerd daarom zal ik af en toe iets kopieeren als er belangrijke info is.

Kopie reactie W126 forum:
De 2e versnelling glijdt door of de versnellingsbak schakelt van de 1e naar de 3e versnelling
Oorzaak / oplossing:
1. Verwijder de rembandzuiger B1, controleer de lipafdichting en vervang deze indien nodig.
2. Controleer de O-ringen op het druklichaam B1.
3. Controleer de opdrachtschuif 1-2 en bedien schuif B1 voor speling

De transmissie schakelt niet van de 1e, 2e of 3e versnelling
Oorzaak / oplossing:
1. Controleer opdrachtschuifknop 1-2, opdrachtschuif 2-3 en opdrachtschuif 3-4 voor vuil (spanen) en speling

Geen opschakelen
Oorzaak / oplossing:
1. Controleer bij draaiende motor of er geen spanning op het kickdown-magneetventiel staat.
(als continue stroom wordt toegepast, "B" -schakelaar, kick-down-magneetventiel of brandstofpomprelais).
2. Verwijder het magneetventiel en controleer het naaldventiel op vuil en vrije beweging.
3. Controleer de druk van de regelaar, reinig of vervang indien nodig de centrifugaalregelaar.
4. Controleer de druk van de versterkerschuifregelaar (44) op speling

Opschakelen alleen in het hoogste snelheidsbereik
Oorzaak / oplossing:
1. Controleer de stuurdrukkabel, stel deze indien nodig bij.
(Ontkoppel de stuurdrukkabel indien nodig en voer een proefrit uit)
2. Controleer de "B" -schakelaar (type 140).
3. Verwijder het magneetventiel en controleer het naaldventiel op vuil en vrije beweging.
4. Controleer de druk van de regelaar, in geval van afwijkingen schoon of vervang de centrifugaalregelaar.
5. Controleer de stuurdruk van de regelklep op speling

De posities van de keuzehendels "R" en "P" kunnen niet worden geactiveerd
Oorzaak / oplossing:
1. met draaiende motor: centrifugale regelaar reinigen en werkbaar maken.
2. met stilstaande motor: maak de sluitzuiger in de onderste afdekking berijdbaar
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » do jul 11, 2019 12:51 pm

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » do jul 11, 2019 1:00 pm

Ik weet niet of er een kickdown relais in zit maar als ik de kickdown knop induw schakeld die onmiddelijk terug. Ik heb ook een testritje gedaan met alle elektronika eraf wat op de bak zit. Ook geen verschil.
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » do jul 11, 2019 2:39 pm

Ik heb net even alle olie uitlaten lopen. Olie zag er heel schoon en rood uit. Heb daarna de meschanische brein eruit gehaald. Wat ik.ermee moet weet ook niet. Zal dadelijk de b1 pisto eruit proberen eruit te halen
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » do jul 11, 2019 8:40 pm

Vandaag b1 piston losgehaald. Zager allemaal goed uit alleen de kleine o ring was verhard deze heb ik vervangen. Heb de b1 piston met een heel grote houtklem losgekregen en weer terug geplaats.

Ook heb ik de mechanische brein losgehaald. En ben met deze langs verschillende automaatboeren geweest. Geen een wilde naar mijn brein kijken omdat ik alles zelf deed. Waarschijnlijk konden ze niet voldoend verdienen aan mij. Ik kreeg steeds te horen breng de bak naar ons dan halen wij hem helemaal uitelkaar en mocht er niks mis zijn met de bak dan zullen we naar je brein kijken. Oplichters allemaal. Ik alles met renreiniger schoon gemaakt en maar weer terug geplaats. Nieuwe olie en filter geplaats. Er is wel een verbetering mijn auto schakeld niet gelijk over van de 2 na 3 in 1 seconden. Dat probleem is weg. Ik geb ook een beetje mijn vacuum afgestelt om de schok van.de.1 ste versnelling te verminderen dit is ook 30% minder. Schakelmoment is ook minimaal.omlaag gegeaan.

Wat kan ik nog meer doen om de schok van de 1 ste versnelling te verminderen. Is mijn brein niet meer goed evt..
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

Berichtdoor w126560td » vr jul 12, 2019 1:11 pm

Vandaag heb ik nogmaals mijn vacuum afgestelt en bowden kabel afgetstelt. Resultaat automaat schakeld weer boterzacht in alle versnellingen. Automaatbrein reinigen met remreiniger heeft dus goed geholpen.
Automaat schakeld ook op lage toeren nu percies hoe ik hem afstel.

Gemaakte kosten 215 tl olie 80 tl filter 100 tl grote lijmklem + 50 tl tank 10 tl remreiniger totaal 455 tl ÷6.8=
67.44 euro totaal. Arbeit heb ik zelf gedaan.
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Re: Automaat wilt 2de versnelling overslaan

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