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Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor koun » vr jun 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Hallo allemaal,

Ik heb bij mijn e320coupe de aircopomp moeten vervangen omdat deze lekte, direct de droger mee vervangen.

Nadat ik hem heb laten vullen wil de pomp niet aanspringen, zodra ik de eco modus uitzet draait de pomp 1seconde en stopt er dan weer mee. Moet auto helemaal uitzetten dan starten met eco modus aan en zodra je het uitzet draait hij weer 1seconde

Ben ermee naar de garage geweest en hun hebben vanalles doorgemeten en komen er niet uit.

Verder is het airco/kickdown relais al vervangen deze was volgens de garage doorgebrand, volgens de garage zijn de 2 sensoren op de droger in orde.

Wie heeft hier verstand van en zou mij graag willen helpen dit op te lossen

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Merida » ma jul 01, 2019 11:57 pm

Ik zou zeggen; handmatig aansturen (stekker eraf, gewoon zelf met een plusje aan komen) en met een manometersetje kijken wat de drukken doen.
Wel opletten dat ze niet gelijk de pan uit stijgen; dan weer los.
Kan zijn dat de pressostaat hem uitschakelt namelijk.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Arpad » di jul 02, 2019 8:52 pm

Ik zou het in de druksensoren (minimale en maximale druk) en de drukkken zelf zoeken.
Wellicht heb je iets aan dit document.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » di jul 02, 2019 10:02 pm

Er zitten twee schakelaars, 1 op de droger. Je kunt de draadjes van de schakelaar op de drogen meen ik doorverbinden, dan weet je meteen of de pomp het doet en of de schakelaar stuk is. :shhh:

Wat erbij staat moet je maar vergeten. Ik had de twee witte stekkertjes met elkaar verbonden en toen draaide de pomp als ik mij niet vergis. De draden waren bij mij een rood/witte en een bruine. Die gaan naar een schakelaar.
Maar hou me ten goede, het is alweer even geleden, en elk systeem kan ook weer anders zijn.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor koun » do jul 04, 2019 2:07 pm

Bedankt allemaal voor de reacties

De druksensoren zijn niet het probleem, kheb ze doorverbonden gehad bij de sensor met de zwarte stekkers deed hij niks

En bij die rode sensor hetzelfde enige wat gebeurd was dat de 2 elektrische fans aangingen.

Mijn garage denkt dat het miss in de motorcomputer of die klimatronic computer.

Het grote relais achter de accu is al nieuw.

Heb echt geen idee meer waar het kan zitten word er lichtelijk gek van.

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor pierro » do jul 04, 2019 3:25 pm

Komt de electromagnetische koppeling op je compressor wel in, .... ook dit kan je handmatig bedienen door 12V op de spoel te zetten en kijk dan of die aantrekt/koppelt.

Ook kan je de airco-foutcodes uitlezen op de 8 polige diagnostic connectorbox in de accuruimte, zit tegen de wand gemonteerd boven het duoventiel van de kachelverwarmingsslangen.

Ben er vorig jaar ook mee bezig geweest en was alleenmaar te lage hoeveelheid gas in het systeem (moet ongeveer 1100gram gas in gaan).
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor pierro » do jul 04, 2019 3:31 pm

Indien nodig is hier een handig step by step document for reparatie van de airco...

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en nog een schema van het geheel...

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » vr jul 05, 2019 11:20 am

Heeft de airco nog weer een tijd(je) normaal gewerkt nadat dat doorgebrande aircorelais is vervangen?
En heb je zelf gezien dat de magneetkoppeling op de pomp, na inschakelen van de airco, daadwerkelijk 1 SEC.
heeft gekoppeld of concludeer je dat omdat het rode ledje op de knop na 1 SEC. weer gaat branden?
Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor koun » za jul 06, 2019 9:06 am

Het relais is vervangen nadat hij het al nietmeer deed , volgens de airco boer waar ik hem gevuld had was het relais kapot.

Wat betreft het 1seconde lopen heb ik met eige ogen gezien misschien ist iets minder als 1seconde maar zeker niet meer

Weet iemand hoe ik hem kan uitlezen en heeft iemand toevalig een storingcode overzicht?

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor pierro » za jul 06, 2019 11:24 am

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Voila het document om de DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes) uit te lezen en te interpreteren.
Wel even een tester maken van een LEDje met drukknopje om een 12 volt startpuls te geven en het aantal pulsen te zien via de LED.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor pierro » za jul 06, 2019 11:34 am

Sorry, vergat het schema van een Flash Coder Reader , makkelijk zelf te maken...

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » za jul 06, 2019 11:35 am

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor koun » za jul 06, 2019 5:24 pm

Dus als ik het goed begrijp is het waarschijnlijk een toerental sensor?

Want het relais N6 is nieuw lijkt me niet dat dat de boosdoener is.

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » zo jul 07, 2019 12:50 pm

De toerentalsensor op de pomp lijkt me niet stuk. Als deze wel stuk zou zijn, komt er geen toerentalsignaal van de
pomp binnen op het relais. Dat signaal is een voorwaarde om de pomp te schakelen en die wordt geschakeld.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » ma jul 08, 2019 6:14 am

Of een versleten magneetkoppeling, die kan (gaan) slippen.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor koun » vr jul 12, 2019 5:29 pm

Zoals het er nu naar uitziet is er zowiezo teveel olie in het systeem aanwezig, kan voorlopig niet verder systeem moet gespoeld worden en dan aangevult met olie.

Koste hiervoor zijn belachelijk gaat over 800euro minimaal dus voorlopig weer geen airco.

Toch bedankt allemaal voor de tips denk dat ik hier in de winter misschien weer mee verder ga.

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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » vr jul 12, 2019 8:36 pm

Vreemd verhaal, mijn airco systeem zat vol met water en de condensor was eraf gehaald, er is lang rondgereden met open buisjes van waar de condensor heeft gezeten, heeft geen 800 euro gekost hoor. Wel heel veel werk :lol: :lol: en na een flinke reparatie werkte hij prima. Ook gespoeld en gevuld.

Je moet de juiste mensen treffen om je te helpen.
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Re: Aircopomp wil niet

Berichtdoor w126560td » za jul 13, 2019 1:00 am

Ik zou gewoon de airco pomp losmaken. Even leeg maken via de achterkant. Vervolgens flesje airco olie kopen goede hoeveelheid erin. Systeem handmatig doorverbinden met zekering en druksensors meenemen en externe knopje plaatsen. vervolgens gas erin en rijden. Ik rijd al meer dan 4 jaar rond met eigen gemaakte schema voor mijn airco. werkt prima. Ergens op het W126 forum moet ook een tekenening staan van how to.
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