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300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » di aug 06, 2019 2:55 pm

2e instantie!!! dit verschijnsel even aangepast!! (zie mijn bericht van 08 aug 2019, 12:23 !!)

Hoi Mannen mijn ABS lampje gaat WEL!! aan bij contact aan zetten, maar gaat branden als ik ca 20 meter heb gereden, (ik heb het niet na gemeten hoor)
Is dit gegeven dat het lampje na het contact aan zetten gaat branden, en dan weer uit, en na een stukje rijden gaat het lampje weer branden, en volhard daar dan ook in! Groet, Henk Lith

NB: de W124 300E remt trouwens als de brandweer :)
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Vlim » di aug 06, 2019 4:52 pm

Klinkt als een probleem met één van de wielsensoren.
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » di aug 06, 2019 5:43 pm

Hoi Vlim, Dank voor je snelle reactie,
Ja ik kan me voorstellen dat het storingslampje oplicht als er een sensor defect en geen signaal oppikt.
Maar dat zie je pas als de wielen draaien!?
Maar waarom gaat het lampje dan niet gelijk branden na contact aan?
Of het zou zo moeten zijn dat ook de sensoren al gelijk getest worden bij contact aan,, gaat er geen stroom door de sensoren lopen bijvoorbeeld?? of te veel bij kortsluiting in een van de sensoren. Dat zou de ABS computer wel kunnen vaststellen denk ik zo

Ander punt is dat er zo weinig bekend is, documentatie is over die ABS, het staat niet eens in de elektrische plane!
Brr. lastig fout zoeken zo, en tijd rovend.

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NB: ik ga morgen zeker de wielsensoren testen,, ohms meten, gelukkig zijn die weerstands waarden wel bekend!
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » di aug 06, 2019 6:18 pm

Wat Vlim zegt! Ik heb precies hetzelfde gehad, ABS lampje gaat branden na klein stukje rijden. Een van de ABS sensors had kabelbreuk in de wielkast voor. succes
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » di aug 06, 2019 6:46 pm

Ok Caspar, ga morgen direct daarmee beginnen.
Die kabel van de sensor die gaat naar de ABS computer, achter de accu, maar zit er onderweg dan nog een connector ?
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » di aug 06, 2019 8:44 pm

Ja, de sensorskabels voor (Drehzahlgeber) lopen door je wielkuip naar de motor ruimte en daar L&R een connector (soort grote, zwarte coax-achtige verbinding). Als je die losneemt kun je daar de weerstand meten als je het wiel een zwieper geeft. Het kan natuurlijk ook je achteras sensor zijn, die zit op het diff en die kabel heeft ook een soort kroonsteen verbinding, dacht onder de achterbank.
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Berichtdoor Henk Lith » di aug 06, 2019 10:11 pm

Ja ik snap het, ik ga het morgen uitzoeken, hoop dat het een beetje technisch weer zal zijn, droog en vooral niet te heet :o
Zijn die sensoren nog redelijk verkrijgbaar dat je weet?
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » wo aug 07, 2019 7:21 am

Oh ja nog even een vraag, zijn de beide wielsensoren links en rechts dus gelijk? en waar kan je die dingen een beetje voordelig kopen, of heeft iemand nog een bruikbaar exemplaar, al is het maar voor diagnose.
Ik ga ze in elk geval vandaag nog testen op weerstand>
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » wo aug 07, 2019 2:52 pm

Nou het was technisch weer, regende dat het goot.
Ik heb de beiden voorsensoren ohms gemeten, en die zijn identiek, ca 1400 ohm.
schoongemaakt, en weer aangesloten, maar het hielp niet, contact aan, remcontrole lampje gaat aan, en daarna weer uit, lijkt mij wel goed, rijden, en dan na 20 M. weer het ABS controle lampje aan.

Wat ik toen heb geprobeerd is beide stekkers voor los, en kijk dan ziet de computer geen verschil, geen ABS lampje meer aan tijdens het rijden.

De ABS werkt naar mijn idee dus helemaal niet, maar remmen gaat ok en geen waarschuwingslampje meer.

Ik vraag mij alleen af of de achter wielen wel normaal blijven remmen, maar is allemaal in je eentje lastig te controleren.

Ik ben uiteraard nog niet tevreden met deze oplossing, maar het gaat mij er om dat ie even door de APK komt.

Ik had nog graag de pulsen die van de voorremmen afkomen op de skoop gezien, maar ook dat lukt van geen kanten als je dat alleen moet doen.

Ik zou de remwerking overigens wel graag even op een remmentestbank willen zien.

Nou tot zover dan maar,, wordt vast vervolgd :evil:

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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor fronteradriver » wo aug 07, 2019 3:44 pm

Misschien een naar de remvloeistof kijken en eventueel verversen?

Ik heb ooit eens ABS problemen gehad bij een opel Calibra….na lang zoeken was een relais het probleem...
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Vlim » wo aug 07, 2019 4:53 pm

Kan ook vuil op de sensoren zelf zijn. Tipje is magnetisch en gaat langs een aantal inkepingen aan de binnenkant van de wielnaaf. Als daar teveel meuk in zit, of slijpsel op de sensor, dan krijg je dit effect ook.

Ooit bij een SEC een klein stukje metaal verwijderd wat zich tussen de inkepingen had vastgezet (aanrijding). Daarna deed de ABS het weer prima. Als je de sensoren loshaalt, zul je ook staan te kijken van de hoeveelheid metaaldeeltjes die zich op de sensorpunt hebben vast weten te zetten.
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » wo aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm

Ja dat klopt, tandrad zag er over de hele omtrek goed uit, de sensor was wel heel smerig.
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » wo aug 07, 2019 5:52 pm

Ik denk dat je van het signaal wat van die sensor afkomt alleen wat kan zeggen als je het signaal op een skoop zet, ik wel een goeie tektronik, maar ik kon er zo snel geen net stekker bij vinden. bovendien kan je het signaal heel slecht afgrijpen van de stekker aan de sensor kabel, en dan ook nog is een zwieper geven met je voet of zo,, dat werkt dus niet.
Ik wil wel iets maken wat je op de stekker kunt drukken, en daar een probe aanhangen, an dan hebje je handen vrij om het wiel te draaien.

Zo zal je de signalen van beide wielen moet bekijken of ze een beetje hetzelfde zijn.

Ik heb ze hetzelfde "gemaakt" :ugeek: door beide stekkers los tekoppelen van de ABS computer,, alles nul volt!!
lekker wetenschappelijk he :o))
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » do aug 08, 2019 9:09 am

En de sensor van de achteras, die op je dif zet, heb je die ook gemeten/gecontroleerd?

En heb je de sensoren op de uiteinden gemeten, of op de stekkers bij de ABS computer?
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » do aug 08, 2019 9:27 am

Hoi Jan, nee ik heb de sensoren aan de stekker gemeten, niet aan de computer, maar ik kan dat nog wel even proberen, misschien zijn de signalen daar beter af te grijpen dan van die lompe stekkers.
En de achteras sensor heb ik nog niet gecontroleerd, klopt, kan ik nog doen, op de stekker van de ABS computer.
gek is dat alles normaal lijkt, lampje komt op, bij contact, gaat daarna uit, en blijft ook uit bij het rijden.
Remt ook prima, maar ik zou dat ook nog graag op de testbank willen zien, want de ABS kan onmogelijk werken nu.
Henk

NB: ik geef eigenlijk de APK keuring nu even voorrang voor dat ik alles overhoop haal, en pas weer kan rijden als de APK verlopen is .
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » do aug 08, 2019 10:22 am

Je hoeft niet te sjoemelen om de auto door de APK te krijgen, een wel of (helemaal) niet brandend ABS lampje is
voor het bouwjaar van jouw auto geen afkeur.

Tijdens het starten hoort het lampje te branden, als de motor draait moet het lampje uit gaan. Als je vervolgens
begint te rijden, start er vanaf 5 km/h een zelftest van de ABS (computer). Is alles oké, blijft het lampje uit.
Maar in jouw auto brand tijdens starten het ABS lampje al niet, dus m.i. zit er dan al iets fout. Tijdens de zelftest
wordt die fout nogmaals opgemerkt en gaat het ABS lampje wel branden.

Als het lampje tijdens de start niet brand is er, volgens een MB ABS-documentje, iets mis met de boordspanning of
stroomtoevoer naar de ABS computer. De accu of overspanningsrelais?
Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » do aug 08, 2019 12:23 pm

Hoi Geert, dank voor je reactie, klopt ik heb de fout ook verkeerd omschreven.
Na contact aanzetten brand het lampje, en gaat kort daarna uit, het lampje komt dan weer bij na zeg,, 20 meter rijden, sorry voor die verkeerde omschrijving van het probleem, ik weet niet of ik de titel nog kan aanpassen.

Maar voor de APK hoor ik altijd "wat er in zit moet ook werken" al is het maar een opitie!

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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » do aug 08, 2019 12:53 pm

pinbelegging op de ABS computer
nu nog van een stripje koper een soort meetpinnetje maken dat in de stekker gestoken kan worden!
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » do aug 08, 2019 1:48 pm

Gemeten aan de sensor stekkers (of bij de ECU) moet je weerstand vinden tussen 0.85 en 2,3 kOhm per sensor. Als je wiel laat draaien (1 omw/SEC) moet je 0.1 volt meten. Als dat zo is zijn je sensoren goed.
Sensors zijn l&R verschillend en kosten ca 100 euro/st (nieuw)
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Re: 300E ABS lampje gaat aan na 20meter rijden

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » do aug 08, 2019 1:50 pm

dus die 1,4 kOhm is goed, dan kun je sensoren en kabelbreuk uitsluiten...
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