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M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor Arpad » ma aug 12, 2019 9:52 pm

Hoi,
Tijdens de vakantie kreeg ik de volgende symptonen.
Direct na het starten kon ik het gaspedaal intrappen maar gebeurde er nagenoeg niks.
Motor laten warmdraaien (80 graden) en opnieuw starten resulteerde in normaal gedrag.
Natuurlijk had ik geen kabels en software bij me om diagnose te nemen.
Ter plaatse naar de Mercedes dealer geweest en natuurlijk konden ze hem daar ook niet uitlezen, de testkast werkte niet meer.
Begonnen aan de terugreis, 1e gedeelte ging goed, eerst laten warmdraaien, en daarna kon ik normaal rijden.
Na de overnachting, auto gestart en weer laten warmdraaien, het duurde nu al veel langer dan de 1e dag en motor begon te zagen, daarna kon ik een stukje rijden echter na een kort stuk werkte het gaspedaal niet meer. Diverse keren herstart en ieder keer kon ik een paar km rijden. Echter zodra de storing optrad kon ik plankgas geven en met een vaartje van 90 verder rijden.
Hierop de stang tussen gaspedaal en gasklep verder uitgedraaid, motor gestart en op storing laten gaan, nu kon ik wat meer gas geven en in zijn 4 (omdat hij op storing stond, schakelt hij niet naar zijn 5) verder rijden.
Na het tanken, motor gestart en hij voel niet meer op storing maar bleef met 4000rpm draaien. Besloten om de gasstang weer in te draaien. Hiermee de reis naar huis kunnen voltooien. Hij bleef het heel de reis redelijk goed doen. Heb hem onderweg (op de snelweg) 2 keer moeten herstarten om weer normaal gedrag te hebben.
Vanavond thuis de motor laten afkoelen en hij reageert niet meer op het gas, meteen de laptop eraan gehangen en geen storing.
Als ik wat google kom ik op de EVAP klep uit.
De software geeft de Throttle klep in rood weer.
Iemand die mij verder op weg kan helpen??
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor RolandKersten » ma aug 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Hmmm, lambdasonde sensor, gasklephuis?
Jij kent die auto al door en door, dus ik denk dat je al hier aan gedacht hebt.
Indd een lastig probleem. Je bent in ieder geval ermee thuis gekomen...
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » di aug 13, 2019 6:25 am

Misschien dat de software wel de storing vindt als die er ook is. Hij wordt alleen niet in het geheugen opgeslagen.

Luchtmassameter was mijn 1e gedachte, maar kruk/nokkenassensor kan ook zomaar zijn. Inlaatluchtslang niet gescheurd o.i.d.?
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor Vinnievw » di aug 13, 2019 6:58 am

Heeft jouw M104 een elektronisch gasklephuis of een mechanisch gasklephuis?
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor Arpad » di aug 13, 2019 9:22 am

Ik heb ASR, dus een elektronisch gasklephuis.
Gasklephuis werk verder goed.
Zal morgen verder zoeken.
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor Arpad » do aug 15, 2019 2:36 pm

E-Gas module uitgewisseld, daarna leek alles te werken, echter na een korte tijd had ik weer dezelfde symptomen.
Nog enkele tests gedaan, en uiteindelijk kwam ik uit op een te hoge accu spanning, 17Volt.
Spanningsregelaar op de dynamo vervangen en alles is weer ok.

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Berichtdoor MB280E » do aug 15, 2019 10:16 pm

17v is inderdaad een beetje veel van het goede. Gelukkig heeft u dit gevonden en is de batterij niet gaan koken/ ontploft.
Hadden ze bij MB ook kunnen zien.
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » vr aug 16, 2019 6:20 am

En kan zo'n hoge spanning ook niet al die componenten kapot maken? Een lamp kan nog wel wat hebben, of een blowermotortje, maar printplaten zijn m.i. erg gevoelig.
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Re: M104 320 geen gasresponce

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Berichtdoor AdamCabrio » vr nov 13, 2020 2:08 pm

PS: Mijn motorkabelboom, E-gas module en lambda sonde waren in 2013 al vervangen. En zeer recentelijk trouwens ook MSG computer laten vervangen door een M-B gereviseerd exemplaar. Dus dat het probleem daarin zou kunnen zitten leek mij onwaarschijnlijk.
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Berichtdoor Arpad » zo nov 15, 2020 5:20 pm

Mooi dat jij hiermee geholpen bent.
Het OVP relais schakelt pas bij 20,5V, dus dan is er al heel wat mis.
Meestal klapt de zekering bij ht gebruik van een jump-starter, hierbij komt de spanning vaak hoger dan 20V.
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