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KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » ma aug 19, 2019 12:33 am

Dag sleutelvrienden, hopelijk genieten jullie van de zomer!
Van mijn 300E uit 1986 (M103 983, tran 722 320) heeft de kickdown het nooit gedaan. Vandaag had ik tijd om eens te kijken wat er scheelt.
1) Solenoid werkt, geen draadbreuk tussen solenoid en schakelaar.
2) Schakelaar (onder gaspedaal) doet het, sluit bij indrukken en heeft 4 polige aansluiting met 5 draden. Twee pinnen van schakelaar zijn verbonden met bus 6 van KD relais (0025452705) dus
3) geen draadbreuk tussen relais en schakelaar.
Echter , ik meet (met contact aan) GEEN spanning op een van de connectors naar de schakelaar. Daar zou 12v op moeten komen vanuit het relais. Relais krijgt puls van vliegwielsensor, heb ik begrepen maar vliegwielsensor heeft een draad naar ontstekingsmodule en waar pikt het relais dat signaal op en kun je dat meten? Ik kan geen schema vinden met 5 draden en op WIS is niets te vinden over KD testen. Wie weet raad? dank
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KD schakelaar en connector met 4 pinnen en 5 draden...
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2 vanuit het relais, 1 naar de solenoid en waar gaat 4de en 5de draad heen?? 1 massa?
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op bus 6 is de schakelaar aangesloten via twee pinnen..
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mijn relais, geen voeding naar schakelaar, of is ie stuk??
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » do aug 22, 2019 10:02 am

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » za aug 31, 2019 8:33 pm

Dank Geert, sorry voor late reactie maar was paar dagen op reis. Je uitleg verklaart een hoop, ik heb idd niet gemeten met draaiende motor. Ga morgen checken! Nogmaals dank
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » zo sep 08, 2019 1:34 pm

Ook met draaiende motor geen 12V op de pinnen ven de kickdown stekker onder het gaspedaal.... Dus relais krijgt geen signaal van toerentalsensor (hoe kun je dat meten?) of relais is defect... Of zie ik iets over het hoofd? Advies welkom, groet
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Arpad » zo sep 08, 2019 7:35 pm

Volgens het schema moet je minimaal 5300 toeren hebben voordat het relais schakelt.
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » zo sep 08, 2019 8:35 pm

"less than 5300 r/m" = minder dan 5300 r/m geschakeld en wordt 12V doorgegeven.
Boven de 5300 wordt de schakeling verbroken.

Het toerental komt wel binnen, dat is nl ook een voorwaarde om de brandstofpompen van 12V te voorzien en
daarmee de motor te laten draaien.
Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » zo sep 08, 2019 8:51 pm

ah dank heren, dank blijft niet veel over dan defect relais. Ga ik omruilen met een verse. Verklaart misschien ook waarom de koudestart injector het niet doet?
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » wo sep 18, 2019 9:20 pm

Nieuw relais erin en kick-down werkt naar behoren! Ik had 2 nieuwe besteld: 1 van 15 euro bij AliExpress en een originele "New Old Stock" via ebay USA voor 80 dollar + shipping&handling. Beide werken al is de chinese wat dikker van formaat en past maar net in de houder....
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Re: KD schema 300E 1986

Berichtdoor Hakie » do sep 19, 2019 9:49 am

Leerzaam, bedankt!
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