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250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » za sep 07, 2019 5:24 pm

Kennelijk, ahum ahum, was de koelvloeistof aan vervanging toe. Want de Behr radiateur is in de (onverwarmde) opslag kapot gevroren :doh:

Ik meen dat er al een lekkage was in de voetenruimte van bestuurderskant, zal vast een lek van de warmtewisselaar van de verwarming zijn geweest.

Het koelstysteem wil ik weer op orde hebben met frisse G11 koelvloeistof en delen van het koelvloeistofcircuit vernieuwd. Het dashboard ga ik sowieso al eraf halen, dus wil ik echt schoon schip maken.


Welke onderdelen kan ik het best allemaal (correctief en preventief) vervangen, alleen de radiateur en de warmtewisselaar? Of nog meer delen. Staat me iets van bij dat er ook een ring moet zijn die het beste ook kan vervangen worden al het dashboard toch los is...

Is Nissens uit Denemarken kwalitatief vergelijkbaar met Behr (normal line)?
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » ma sep 09, 2019 6:19 am

En dan nog hopen dat je motor niet kapot gevroren is.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor MB280E » ma sep 09, 2019 6:11 pm

Ik denk dat dat wel eens vies zou kunnen tegenvallen....
Best dat eerst controleren vooraleer grote kosten te doen.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo sep 11, 2019 2:07 pm

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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo sep 11, 2019 2:18 pm

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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » wo sep 11, 2019 2:54 pm

water bij de olie.
olie bij het water.

Koelsysteem kun je ook afpersen om te controleren. Speciale dop op het reservoir voor.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » wo sep 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Verhip, dat ik daar zelf niet op kwam.
Ik heb dat wel liggen om zelf af te persen (max op 1,5 bar zetten uit mijn hoofd)

Bedankt JantjeV8!

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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » wo sep 11, 2019 4:17 pm

Ja, ontlucht zichzelf.

Beide kachelknoppen op max heet zetten. Auto kan beter wat achterover staan, dat scheelt, zeker niet voorover of scheef langs een stoeprand.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » do sep 12, 2019 9:37 am

Fijn, bedankt voor de tip.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » do sep 12, 2019 1:04 pm

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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » do sep 12, 2019 3:26 pm

Samen sterk, niet dan? :violin:
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor MB280E » do sep 12, 2019 7:07 pm

Motor wel eerst ronddraaien met de hand. Voor hetzelfde geld staan de cilinders vol met water. Dat is niet samendrukbaar. Doet je dit met de startmotor dan kan je schade veroorzaken aan de motor. Veel succes
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » vr sep 13, 2019 9:04 pm

bedankt voor de reminder MB280E
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » za sep 14, 2019 12:08 pm

Als het blok nog goed is, wil ik het koelsysteem ook reinigen.
Dat ga ik doen met citroenzuur, zoals voorgeschreven door Daimler-Benz AG.
Voor de zoekfunctie geef ik hieronder meer infomatie m.b.t. de OM601/602/603 motoren:

Cittroenzuur kan (kon?) je kopen bij de dealer. Aangezien citroenzuur niet bijzonder is, het is namelijk in de vorm van een poeder/pulver, is het vanzelfsprekend ook elders te koop. Zoals bij de plaatselijke toko.

Voor een OM601/602/603 staat 500 gram citroenzuur voorgeschreven om op te lossen in 5 liter lauw water. De rest van het koelsysteem aanvullen met water. Momenteel kost 500 gram bij mijn plaatselijke toko: € 4,-

Voor het reinigen wordt ook een speciale thermostaat genoemd, een gedwongen open thermostaat: 000 589 74 63 00

Tevens is er nog een speciaal spoelaansluitstuk 117 589 00 90 00 wat tussen de radiator en de radiatorslang aangesloten wordt. Op dit spoel aansluitstuk sluit je dan een tuinslang aan voor het spoelen.

Het reinigingsproces kan je verder zelf lezen :techie-computer:
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » do okt 03, 2019 4:51 pm

Het blok loopt nog vrij, dus heb ik de radiator inmiddels vervangen.
Alles werkt nu weer. Bedankt voor alle tips.

Ook maar eens de remvloeistof incl. koppeling vervangen, het was nodig.

De gedwongen thermostaat 000 589 74 63 00 staat nog op mijn aanschaflijst.
Weten jullie een webshop met een goede prijs?
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor Ton200TE » do okt 03, 2019 9:49 pm

Ik denk niet dat hij past, maar mijn thermostaat van een M102 2.0 is stuk en staat open. Telt dat ook als een gedwongen open thermostaat? :lol:
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » za okt 05, 2019 10:11 pm

Hoi RD500sec, hierboven kan je in het bestand "OM601-602-603 koelsysteem reinigen.pdf" het reinigingsproces met citroenzuur nalezen. Voor het reinigingsproces heb je een speciale thermostaat nodig die open staat. De temperatuur bij het reinigen mag ook niet hoger worden dan 80 graden Celsius.

@ton200TE: :) Ik zou het niet weten of dat ook werkt. Zou leuk zijn, maar verwacht het niet. Wie het weet, mag het zeggen.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor Gombal » za okt 05, 2019 10:42 pm

Qua open thermostaat zou ik niet moeilijk doen, gewoon de bestaande thermostaat eruit halen, zelf een pakking snijden van dik tekenpapier of AFM (Asbest Free Material) pakking en thermostaat huis terug monteren. Dan de schoonmaak actie uitvoeren. Scheelt geld en gezoek naar een speciale thermostaat.
Vloeibare pakking kan ook natuurlijk, iets moeilijker te verwijderen of gewoon een oude thermostaat kannibaliseren door er de veer en klepje uit te verwijderen.
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Re: 250D koelsysteem kapot gevroren, wat vervangen?

Berichtdoor -SK- » zo okt 06, 2019 10:59 am

Gombal en RD500sec, thx voor de bijdragen. :handgestures-thumbupleft:
Veel simpeler en kosteneffectiever dan een gedwongen open thermostaat.
Dan vraag ik me af waarom Mercedes-Benz überhaupt zo'n open thermostaat heeft ontwikkelt / laten ontwikkelen:
Geldklopperij, iets met protocollen waarvan niet wordt afgeweken, of doet zo'n gedwongen open thermostaat toch nog iets bijzonders?
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