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Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » do okt 17, 2019 12:00 pm

Hallo, even wat input van de expert. Ben me aan het inleven hoe en wat er moet gebeuren om de automaatbak uit te wisselen.
Wil hem er onderuit halen, heb de Benz rondom een 1/2 m omhoog gezet.
De cardan moet natuurlijk los. Is alleen aan de voorkant bij de bak los voldoende ? Kan ie dan onderuit draaien.
De uitlaat moet waarschijnlijk los, om bij de bovenste bevestiging motor/bak te komen.

Nog andere issues dit ik over het hoofd zie .

Ik hoor graag van jullie
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor Micha12345 » vr okt 18, 2019 6:49 pm

Uitlaat moet los (ik zou de Kat eraf halen dat maakt het makkelijk) ik moest sowieso toen alles eraf halen omdat ik alles in orde wou maken.

De drive shaft los maken aan de kant van de bak (hiervoor moet je de uitlaat los of eraf halen om de bovenste bout in het midden los te maken.Daarna heb je onder waar de motor aan de bak zit een plastic kapje die je eraf moet halen en daaronder zitten de bouten waar de converter vast zit aan de motor.Rondraaien en los maken.

Daarna zul je de steun los moeten maken achter (zou achter een krikje gebruiken) en eerst ook de motorsteunen voor beetje los maken zodat ze kunnen bewegen en niet kapot gaan) eerst ook de vacuum slang los maken en de kabel van de versnellingsbak naar tacho los maken.ehm natuurlijk niet vergeten als eerste alle atf eruit te laten lopen(1 uit de pan zelf en daarna van de converter).Converter plug zit onder maar je zult als je alleen bent steeds de crankshaft moeten draaien tot die tevoorschijn komt of je hebt iemand die dat doet en jij kijkt onder en zegt stop.Crankshaft is maatje 27 als ik het goed heb.

Als alles los zit en de kont van de bak op een krik zit laat je hem kantelen zodat de voorkant van de motor beetje naar boven gaat.Nu heb je van achter waar de kont van de bak zit plaats om met 2x lange extension en als laatste een flexibele kop +17mm om de bovenste 17mm los te maken.Rest van de 17mm is simpel.


Makkelijk is als je bv een bak-krik hebt (rond de 150 te krijgen) dan zet je die onder de bak.

zijn alle bouten los trek je de bak naar achter(rustig) en zorgt dat de converter ook erop zit.
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » vr okt 18, 2019 9:43 pm

Bedank Micha, uitgebeid en duidelijk. Heb een goed beeld nu.
Heb de radiator er ook af om te kunnen tornen. Is wel wat werk, maar tijd genoeg :D .
Morgen de cardan los en de uitlaat.

Hele klus, meer dan ik dacht , maar we gaan ervoor.

Bedankt en ik laat je weten hoe ie gaat.

Gr. Bob
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » zo okt 20, 2019 7:35 pm

Een spaak in het wiel. Begon lekker..... maar toen de vulpijp los moest bleek dit muuurvast te zitten.
Zowel de imbus boven aan de motor, als aan bak... no go.
Dus plan B moet in werking komen. De gehele motor eruit.
Kunnen we gelijk wat meer dingen bekijken :clap:

Wordt vervolgd, Bob.
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » ma okt 21, 2019 7:24 am

Kun je er met een vlammetje bij? De loctite even week laat worden. En zorg voor passend gereedschap, sleutels en doppen er goed in/op zetten vooraleer je alles rond draait, want dan ben je nat.
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » ma okt 21, 2019 12:20 pm

Heb al het mogelijke geprobeerd, maar je kan er moeilijk bij, beneden al helemaal niet, of je moet een vlammetje om een hoekje hebben.
Torx in tikken is geen ruimte voor.
Ondertussen heb ik al het meeste toch al los, dus dat valt mee en........... kan ik ook bij delen waar ik ook mijn twijfels over had.
Zoals bv krukas kering bv (zullen we wel weer andere problemen tegen komen :lol: )

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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » za okt 26, 2019 5:03 pm

Zo mbv mijn zoon de uittil operatie. Viel enorm mee. Eenmaal eruit de eigenlijke reden (nl de fulpijp wilde niet los) ter hand genomen. Was dus echt niet te lossen . Zelfs warm gestookt... no go.
Uiteindelijk uitgeboord en in te kop opnieuw getapt M8.
Bak er vanaf nu gelijk de krukas keerringen vervangen. Gelijk alles kuisen !
Maken er weer een mooie nieuw bak van !
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » do okt 31, 2019 9:39 pm

Probeer de krukas poelie eraf te krijgen, om de keerring te vervangen. De grote 27 mm bout. Zit muurvast.
Maar vraag me af of dit linkse draad is ??
Heeft iemand hier ervaring mee ?
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » vr nov 01, 2019 4:09 pm

Volgens mij zit de poelie met 6 boutjes op het balanceerwiel (weetniet hoe dat ding heet) geschroefd. Je bedoeld denk ik dat balanceerwielding. De centrale bout met dop 27 is (99% zeker) gewoon rechtse draad. Het ding wordt echter wel met iets van 300Nm vast gezet, dus los heb je nog wat meer kracht nodig. Met je standaard 1/2"doppensetje ga je die kracht niet leveren. Daar is grover geschut voor nodig, of misschien zelfs een zware luchtsleutel.

Blokker de motor ook op de starterkrans, draai een (10.8) bout in het gat aldaar. Anders ga je tegen de distributieketting in trekken, vindt 'ie niet fijn. En om die 300Nm te leveren zul je ook het motorblok zelf heel goed vast moeten zetten, want hij tolt gewoon mee rond als je er zo hard aan gaat sleuren.
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » vr nov 01, 2019 4:30 pm

Op internet gekeken en dit idee gecopieerd. Paar uur huisvlijt, boren lassen ect.
En zie het werkt. Zat inderdaad vast als eenpaard :ugeek:

Nu aan slag met de keerringen, zo blijven we toch van de straat :dance:
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » vr nov 01, 2019 4:44 pm

Uiteindelijk van internet gecopieerd. Ochtendtje huisvlijt maar trots op het resultaat.
En... werkt ook nog. Zat zo vast als een paard.

Nu aan de slag met vervangen vd de keerringen :dance:

Ps staat op z,n kop, sorry, maar is niet minder duidelijk.
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor verkuilm » za nov 02, 2019 10:04 am

Leuk om te lezen!
Ik heb voor zaken die enorm vast zitten een 500nM electrische slagmoersleutel van hitachi.
Nog nooit iets niet los gelezen. Niet goedkoop voor iets wat 2x per jaar gebruikt. Je hebt wel ruimte nodig.
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor Micha12345 » za nov 02, 2019 3:52 pm

welke hoist heb je gebruikt om de motor eruit te krijgen
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » za nov 02, 2019 7:32 pm

# Verkuilm: ja dat is een mooie luxe z,n slagmoer sleutel. Helaas moest ik improviseren , maar is wel leuk (vind ik). En niet te vergeten..... ik heb de tijd :D

#Micha : heb een ketting takel aan een dakbalk. Wel weerzijden v/d auto de balk ondersteund.
Dus motor eruit takelen en dan de auto naar achteren en op twee verhuis (hondjes) karretjes laten zakken.

Ben na alles schoongemaakt weer aan het opbouwen. Keeringen voor en achter vervangen.
Tevens bleek dat de rubber einden vd transmissie pijpen naar de oliekoeler niet meer buigbaar waren :ohmy: ze braken spontaan :woohoo: . Bof dat ik dat nu merk .....en niet onder het rijden :whistle: .

Dus dat ook nog bestellen bij de Mercedes.

Wordt vervolgt...
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor Micha12345 » za nov 02, 2019 11:23 pm

Dan waren ze echt op :Pdat heb ik bij de mijne niet meegemaakt na 33 jaar
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » wo nov 06, 2019 4:16 pm

De nieuwe slangen ontvangen.
Ter illustratie de oude er naast . Lijkt wel speculaas zo bros. Eerder breken dan nog buigen.
Een waarschuwing voor andere want met de stalen beschermings veer erom heen leek het nog heel wat !
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » do nov 07, 2019 6:55 pm

Zo het agregaat klaar met de andere bak, alles schoon, hydro leidingen vervangen, hardy schijven vernieuwd, krukaskeeringen vevangen en dus klaar voor de montage.
Morgen nog even de lamba sonde eruit en kjjken of die nog goed is, want afstellen was voorheen niet mogelijk. De APK is ie doorheen gesjoemeld :whistle:

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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » za nov 09, 2019 8:35 pm

Ja, het beest zit weer in het vooronder.
Nu de laatste loodjes en de vloeistoffen. De verwachtingen zij hooggespannen !!,
Bijlagen
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor Blauwe Hap » zo nov 10, 2019 10:20 am

Die heb je er weer mooi ingelepeld. Mooie klus, succes!
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Re: Automaatbak 300TE 1985 vervangen

Berichtdoor bob » vr nov 15, 2019 9:43 pm

Let op het springen vd lintworm !!!
Alles gemonteerd.....
Motor olie erin, koelvloeistof erin, stuurbekachtiging en leveling en .....natuurlijk de automaatbak olie.
Tenslotte was het daarom begonnen. Eerst 4ltr .... peilen, bij stationair draaien. Volgens voorschrift door de versnellingen gehaald, maar geen koppel. Kortom meer olie en jahoor daar kwam ie.
Bij gevuld tot +/- tot 15 mm onder min peil . En de eerste proefrit en warm draaien.
Alles funtioneerde uitstekend, schakeld boterzacht.
Ben zeer in m'n nopjes, de gekochte bak blijkt uitstekend te werken. Toch maar de vraag als je zoiets overneemt, welliswaar met de verzekering dit ie prima was, maar toch.

Daar ga ik weer plezier aan beleven, eind al goed :) :D
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