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Korte vraag: is het noodzakelijk het onststekingskarakteristiek aan te passen voor 98 benzine? (M102, 230TE Benzine, 1992)

"Bij consequente 98 toepassing, moet dan niet de onststekingskarakteristiek aangepast worden? In het vooronder zit zo'n draaiknop die je op een paar standen in kunt steken. Volgens mij moet daar iets mee gebeuren dan"

Eigenlijk is het simpel; "zo veel mogelijk voorontsteking zonder dat hij gaat pingelen".
Als jij 95 hebt gereden en je gaat naar 98, kan het qua pingelen geen kwaad, andersom wel omdat 95 meer klop geeft (lagere klopvastheid).
Pingelen of detonatie is een "knikkerachtig" geluid wat zich voornamelijk bij warme motor, lage toeren en hoge belasting voor doet. Kan ook bij hoge toeren uiteraard enzovoort.
Als je dat geluid hoort, fout! Dat wil je niet want het is gruwelijk slecht voor je motor, let daarop.

Die knop zegt mij even niets, maar als je daar de ontsteking mee kan veranderen naar meer voorontsteking; probeer maar.
(Zal ws meer doen dan alleen maar voorontst. maar dat is wel de basis van de karakteristiek)

Gevonden in een online instructie-boekje! Omdat er steeds minder euro 98 verkrijgbaar is, maar niet afstellen op N, denk ik?

Ah, zo'n schakelaar........dat had ik me wel kunnen bedenken!

Nouja, simpel; "N" kan absoluut geen kwaad, zou je hem ook op kunnen laten.
"S" geeft meer voorontsteking en kan met 95 of lager motorschade aanrichten; die gebruik je alleen op 98 of hoger.

Als jij gewoon 98 tankt, lekker op "S" of je moet pingelen horen. Dat knikkeren hoor je echt wel. Dat zal ook heus niet (snel) gebeuren.
Maar dat pingelen is wel de motorschade waar zij het over hebben; niet aan te raden om daarmee door te rijden.

Gewoon "S" dus of je moet hele rare geluiden horen.
En nogmaals; dat hoor je echt wel. Ik zou me geen zorgen maken en gaan voor het beste rendement.

Heb net even gekeken en hij staat nu op S en in tank altijd euro 98. Komende zomer naar Denemarken en daar is geen euro 98 beschikbaar. E10-killer bij elke tankbeurt en op N zetten?

Juist.

Bedankt!

Niet waar!! Euro 95 (octaan 95, met 5% (E5) of nu meestal 10% (E10) ethanol) is ook Super benzine. Stekker op S. Octaan 98 (E5) heet in Nederland SuperPlus oid. In oa Duitsland vind je ook nog "Normaal" met een RON octaangehalte van 91. Dan moet de stekker op N.
Bij octaan 95 of hoger stekker op S. Zou bij voorkeur ethanol vrije benzine tanken (BP ultimate etc) en sowieso geen E10, EHA gaat geheid lekken en kost ca 300 euro.

Beter niet naar blauwe hap luisteren.

Ik geloof dat het octaan gehalte van 91 die blauwe hap bedoeld, in amerikaanse eenheid is. Een amerikaans octaan gehalte van 91 staat gelijk aan onze 95. De amerikaanse 94 staat gelijk aan onze 98.

Ik heb hem bij mij standaard op S staan, maar ik heb wel een m103.983 blok. Ik heb eens ge experimenteert door de knop nóg verder te zetten (S=4); zo heb ik gereden op stand 3 en 2. Ik merkte geen verschil, maar misschien zou het qua verbruik op de snelweg iets schelen. Geen pingelen of dergelijke in ieder geval; ik rijd dan ook altijd op v power 98.

Het instructieboekje is NL en spreekt over Superbenzine en normale benzine. Dan gaat het logischerwijs over Euro98 en Euro95, lijkt me. Euro98 is S en Euro95 is N, zou ik denken.

E10 is sowieso geen optie, maar feitelijk is dat euro95 en milieu-shit. Dan kan gecompenseerd worden met dat spul voor de leidingen. In noodgevallen. Als er ECHT niets anders is. Althans, zo lees ik het overal.

Helemaal juist!
Zeker ten tijde van het schrijven van dat boekje was dat zo. Dat ze alles anders zijn gaan noemen, doet er niet toe.
Leidend in het verhaal is het octaangetal. Octaan is klopvastheid. Kloppen is pingelen is motorschade.
Je mag 95 superdeluxe-exelliumplus-kryptonite-gti-16V noemen, maar het blijft een klopvastheid hebben van 95..........

Er wordt hier een hoop afgezwets, Merida kijks eens in de handleiding voordat je mensen op het verkeerde been zet:
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pagina 131 van de originele W124 handleiding

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Handleiding te vinden hier op het forum
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Ja is moeilijk he om je ongelijk toe te geven, leer je met de jaren meneer de auto monteur....

Hoho even relativeren mensen. En voordat we van alles en nog wat gaan roepen is het altijd wel zo dat je beter kunt luisteren naar mensen die weten waar ze over praten.

Daarnaast is respect een groot goed hier!!

Daar sluit ik me bij aan.

Maar in mijn tankdop staat nu Super bleifrei en de EZL schakelaar staat op S. Mocht er nu geen Euro98 zijn en enkel Euro95, moet ik dan die schakelaar omzetten naar N of is dat niet noodzakelijk?

Dit topic gaat weer open als ik het antwoord heb.

Ik vind het van het allergrootste belang dat hierover de juiste informatie boven water komt.

Onderstaande zal nog wel worden aangevuld (Beheer)


Euro 95 is een superbenzine, inmiddels heet dat E10, een Euro 95 met 10% Ethanol. Bij veel pompen in ons land is de Euro 95 niet meer leverbaar en vervangen door de E10 Euro 95

Euro 98 is een superbenzine, voorheen aangeduid met superplus. Op de pomp staat altijd E5, wat suggereert dat er 5% Ethanol in zit. Dat is niet altijd het geval, er zijn Euro 98 benzines zonder Ethanol, BP Ultimate is daar 1 van, maar met dank aan de overheid, die geen E0 stikker duld, zijn deze voor de consument niet te herkennen.

Euro 91, is een normale benzine, in ons land niet verkrijgbaar, bij de oosterburen en mogelijk in andere landen nog wel.

In het instructieboekje wordt over loodvrij gesproken bij Kat voertuigen, loodhoudend is in Europa niet meer leverbaar, dus is dat geen punt meer om op te letten.

Welke brandstof voor welke motor is wat lastiger.

Je hebt 4 cilinder motoren en 6 cilinder motoren.
De 6 cilinders kunnen op normaal rijden, met aanpassing van de ontstekung, de EZL knop op N. Met de knop op S kun je E95 of E98 tanken

De 4 cilinders kun je onderverdelen in
de standaard uitvoering, zonder Kat en vol vermogen,
de RUF, die kun je achteraf met Kat uitrusten, en
de Kat voertuigen.

De 4 cilinders lusten geen normaal, Euro 95 mag in de KAT voertuigen,
De standaard uitvoering en de RUF motoren kunnen alleen met Euro 98 gereden worden.
Heeft de auto een codeerstekker, kun je door deze op N te zetten, op Euro 95 rijden, heeft de auto deze niet, zul je de ontsteking aan moeten (laten) passen.

Benzine met Ethanol trekt water aan, metalen onderdelen kunnen gaan roesten in het brandstofsysteem, rubber -wat bij onze auto’s al wat ouder is-, kan(zal) aangetast worden, er kan gomvorming optreden, de brandstof is van mindere kwaliteit, het zorgt voor een hoger gebruik en is minder lang houdbaar.
Het is beter de Euro 95 E10 links te laten liggen en voor de Euro 98 te gaan, het liefste zonder de Ethanol.
Als er geen E98 is, kun je een Ethanolkiller toevoegen als je op de E10 bent aangewezen.

Om het nog wat ingewikkelder te maken zijn hier drie foto's van de handleiding uit eind 1992, toen de M104 motoren leverbaar waren. Het nummer van de handleiding is 1245847683. Het is namelijk best belangrijk welke handleiding je raadpleegt voor het verkrijgen van de juiste info lijkt me.

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