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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » za dec 05, 2020 11:32 am

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor bob » zo dec 06, 2020 7:59 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » do dec 10, 2020 1:34 pm

Alles wat geschreven wordt, hoe goed bedoeld ook, hoeft geen waarheid te bevatten.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor bob » do dec 10, 2020 5:01 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor Shostakovich124 » do dec 10, 2020 11:48 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor bob » vr dec 11, 2020 9:48 am

Lijkt me niet hetzelfde, jammer.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor HakanC » vr dec 11, 2020 5:16 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor HakanC » vr dec 11, 2020 5:25 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor bob » vr dec 11, 2020 5:31 pm

Hakan, waar woon je ergens , mischien kun je een langs komen ?
Kunnen we samen even kijken ?

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor bob » vr dec 11, 2020 5:39 pm

Die krukas sensor is een heel simpel ding makkelijk te testen.
Als je hem naast de auto hebt gewoon een stuk staal (bv steeksleutel) heen en weer langs het neusje halen. Met een universeelmeter (op DC) op 5 of 10 v moet je dan een spanning meten.
Is gewoon een magneetje met een spoel erom die een spanning opwekt als je met een stuk staal er langs gaat.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor HakanC » ma dec 14, 2020 3:53 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor bob » ma dec 14, 2020 8:34 pm

Je hebt een PB.

Groet, Bob.
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[300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor RJB » za maart 06, 2021 8:25 am

Even benieuwd hoe het verloopt met de diagnose van dit probleem.

Ik volg dit topic vanaf het begin omdat mijn 300CE-24V (1991 / C124) ook prima aanslaat maar dan niet op alle poten lijkt te lopen en vervolgens afslaat. Het afslaan kan ik meestal voorkomen door de motor met een beetje gas erbij lopend te houden. Na een paar seconden pakken alle cilinders op en loopt hij perfect met het juiste vermogen en verbruik.

Reeds vernieuwd:
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor RJB » za maart 06, 2021 7:12 pm

Dankje!

Op basis van eerdere opmerkingen in dit topic (en YouTube filmpjes) dacht ik ook aan de accumulator, die naast het brandstof filter onder de auto.

Ik zie een Bosch versie bij AutoDoc. Zal even een hogere korting afwachten, dat verschilt daar per dag:

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Vergelijkbaar MB nummer: A0004760921

Ik zal het filter ook meteen maar vervangen.

De auto is MB dealer onderhouden, het boekje is keurig gestempeld maar ik heb geen facturen van de vorige eigenaar. Ik kocht de C124 op 101.000 km en hij heeft nu 108.000 km gereden.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor HakanC » zo maart 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Toevallig net deze week pas tijd gehad en ben er mee bezig.

Injectoren zijn vervangen (nog niet gestart) en ben nu bezig om de brandstofverdeler te reviseren. Daarnaast kwam ik erachter dat de isolatielaag van de klopsensor (richting onstekingsmodule) helemaal weg was dus op paar plekken metaal tegen metaal raakte. Deze heb ik ook opgelost.

Als er na al mijn werkzaamheden (Alles is dan vervangen) nog steeds startproblemen optreden dan is het of de onstekingsmodule of de ECU. Want voor de rest is dan alles vernieuwd/nagelopen. Sta nog steeds open voor suggesties ;)

Ik laat het weten. Hoop dat ik hem woensdag of donderdag weer kan starten.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor klaasCA » ma maart 08, 2021 10:38 am

Wat vernieuw/reviseer je allemaal aan de brandstofverdeler?
Lijkt me een klusje dat secuur moet uitgevoerd worden.

@RJB Betreffende het vervangen van de accumulator : Dat zou ik idd eerst een testen zoals beschreven. Duur ding, dus je wil zeker zijn dat het aan vervanging toe is. Bij mijn M103 viel het vervangen van de injectoren goedkoper uit dan een nieuwe accumulator.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor HakanC » ma maart 08, 2021 2:12 pm

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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor RJB » ma maart 08, 2021 11:55 pm

Ben benieuwd of jouw problemen opgelost zijn, Hakan. Je hebt er in ieder geval een hele hoop nieuwe en gecontroleerde onderdelen aan overgehouden.

Ik heb de accumulator van Bosch besteld, voor € 184 thuis. Testen doe ik nog maar ik heb twee 300CE-24’s dus vroeg of laat heb ik dit onderdeel toch een keer nodig. Ik verwacht en hoop vroeg want dat zou oplossen van mijn lastige start betekenen.
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Re: [300CE-24] Start probleem

Berichtdoor HakanC » do maart 11, 2021 10:28 pm

Goed nieuws van mijn kant:

Na het reviseren van de brandstofverdeler en vervangen van de injectoren met nieuwe exemplaren is mijn start probleem opgelost. Ook gehangen aan uitlaatgasmeet apparatuur en alles netjes afgesteld. Blijft eindelijk netjes lopen.

Toch een opsomming wat er tot nu toe is gedaan hiervoor:

• Beide brandstofpompen inclusief terugslagklep
• Brandstoffilter
• Drukaccumulator bij de brandstofpompen
• Druk accumulator(systeemdrukregelaar) bij de motor
• EHA druk regelaar bij de spinnenkop (Niet de pakkingen maar behuizing lekte)
• Nullast micro switch
• Alle temparatuur sensoren incl luchtfilterhuisbuis (preventief ivm leeftijd)
• OVP
• Luchtmassametersensor (potmeter)
• Reinigen en op werking controleren stappenmotor (Stationairtoerentalregelaar)
• Nieuwe NGK bougies zonder weerstand
• Nieuwe bougiekabels (Bosch)
• Nieuwe rotor en verdelerkap onsteking (Bosch)
• Nieuwe Bobine
• Nieuwe Krukassensor (foutmelding diagnose)
• Vervangen van diverse rubberen aansluitingen en slangen ivm leeftijd en kans op lekkage
• Alle vacuum leidingen nagelopen en alle terugslagkleppen vervangen
• Reviseren brandstofverdeler
• nieuwe injectoren

Ik kan er weer 30 jaar tegenaan denk ik zo ;)

Krukassensor geeft op diagnose nog steeds foutmelding. Na avondklok ga ik nog even langs bij Bob..

Daarnaast heb ik een ander probleem wat niet is opgelost wat ik wel hoopte. Met kickdown houdt de auto stotterend in. Ik heb op een andere topic gelezen dat na het vervangen van de potmeter dit voorbij was (ook M104.980).. Maar deze heb ik al vervangen en goed afgesteld. Weet even niet waar ik moet zoeken maar zal hiervoor een andere topic openen.
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