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300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » do feb 02, 2023 8:53 pm

Hallo allemaal,

Ik zit op dit moment met een probleem. Mijn auto reageert heel traag bij het gas geven en dat verergerd bij het bereiken van het bedrijfstempratuur. Als ik gas geef of het nou koude of warme motor is reageert de auto niet direct, alhoewel bij koude motor wel veel sneller dan warm. Ook bij volgas reageert die niet dit alles is overigens onder 1500rpm daarboven reageert de auto goed en trekt die ook zeer snel op.
Waar kan dit aan liggen?

Ik heb alles van bobine tot aan bougies, dus ook rotor, rotor kap en dat behuizing die tegen de motor aanzit allemaal vervangen ook de kabels met Nieuwe Bosch onderdelen. daarnaast heb ik de luchttempratuur sensor die vast zit aan de luchtfilter behuizing vervangen en ook de 4 polige waterkoelingsensor die dus aangeeft wat het tempratuur is van de motor.

Brandstof druk is ook getest. systeemdruk is net maar dan ook net minimaal op 6.19 bar als ik het aflees dus heel dichtbij de 6.2 let wel op dat er klein beetje brandstof lekte tusssen de koppeling die ik gebruikte. Mercedes geeft aan 6.2-6.4 is waar die tussen in moet zitten. als ik onderdruk test dan was die 0.5 bar verschil in plaats van de 0.4 bar
Ik heb dus dat terug gezet naar 0.4 bar verschil maar toen ik de duty cycle testte gaf die regelmatig een 100% duty cycle wat inhoudt dat de EHA valve niet de brandstof kan verrijken dus teruggezet naar wat die was toen ik hem gekocht heb en geeft die weer een duty cycle om en nabij 50%.

Het probleem wordt dus erger hoe dichter bij de motor op bedrijfstempratuur komt. nu gebeurt dat zelden en zit die meestal rond de 80 omdat ik best wel kan doorrijden en niet echt in files kom (visco koppeling waarschijnlijk niet goed gezien de ventilator harder draait naarmate ik meer toeren maken ookal is de motor koud.) ik heb om te kijken of de ECU etc niet van slag raakt als de auto op bedrijfstempratuur zit de kabel van de 4 polige waterkoelingsensor eruit gehaald maar resultaat blijft hetzelfde dus erge hapering of maakt het erger (als de auto rond de 80 graden is reageert die nog zo dat het te rijden is met de sensor kabel van de 4 polige eraf hapert die net als de auto op 90 graden zit en dus heel erg wat ik zelf super irritant rijden vindt).

Heb ook geen Vacuümlek gevonden en heb dat ook goed onderzocht maar alles ziet er goed uit.
Heb wel last van lage toerental stationair na paar seconden. (De auto start netjes op 1000 toeren en gaat naar 500 na enkele tientallen seconden maar slaat niet af auto voelt wel wat responsiver aan.) dit toerental gaat daarna pas weer naar 650 a 700 wat die moet zijn en dit gebeurt alleen bij de eerste koude start van de dag.


Voordat ik dure onderdelen ga bestellen. (P.S. ik vindt het niet erg om onderdelen te kopen en koop dan meestal ook origineel of Bosch of dergelijke maar heb dan wel het liefst dat het probleem wordt opgelost in plaats van duizenden euros uitgeven aan iets waar het niet aan licht vandaar dat ik ook niet meer naar garages wil gaan die dit altijd flikken.)

Wat kan ik nog controleren?
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo feb 05, 2023 12:17 pm

Ik heb je hele verhaal gelezen, ben je al bij een echte Benz specialist geweest eentje die verstand/kennis heeft van oldtimers en deze motoren.

Op Urk zit Jaap pul meer dan een specialist in diesels , ze weten vast ook enorm veel van benzine modellen zoals die van jou. Wellicht kunnen die je helpen voordat je nog meer uitgeeft en het probleem niet opgelost hebt.
Garages komen hier als ze het zelf niet meer weten.

Of bij dit adres: https://www.garagewieman.com/
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » zo feb 05, 2023 12:33 pm

Hallo, bedankt voor de tip.
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Ekkie » zo feb 05, 2023 12:41 pm

Dit is een bekende klacht met eveneens bekende zoektocht, ik kon warm nog maar amper van z’n plek komen. Alles gedaan wat jij ook gedaan hebt zonder resultaat. Tot op een kwaad moment een lichtje ging branden: de potenter/luchtmassameter zou wel eens afgepensioeneerd kunnen zijn. Schroef schroef en jawel: aan gort. Oplossing lag nog niet voor de hand omdat deze niet meer te vinden was. Wel een van de 201. Dankzij mijn super meedenkende garagist en ervaringsdeskundige deze omgecodeerd, vraag me niet hoe en wat. Co weer afgesteld en als vanouds! Zou dus hier eens naar kijken, succes! Eric
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » zo feb 05, 2023 3:50 pm

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Ekkie » zo feb 05, 2023 6:19 pm

dramatisch, kwam niet weg. eenmaal op toeren ging het wel weer. maakte niet uit hoeveel gas je gaf, kroop weg.
voor de zekerheid: ik bedoel dit ding
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo feb 05, 2023 6:24 pm

Hier heb je vast iets aan een handleiding hoe je de LMM vervangt. De lmm op mijn 230E ook zelf vervangen een paar maanden terug deze was versleten.

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » di feb 07, 2023 1:01 pm

Vraagje over dit onderdeel, weet iemand waar ik deze nieuw kan halen en of er een verschil inzit in deze sensoren met bijvoorbeeld een W124 2.3 4 cylinder en mijn 300 m104
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » di feb 07, 2023 3:16 pm

Kijk even naar de gebruikersnaam Orion.
Orion heeft die dingen te koop.

Vanwege jouw beperking als nieuw lid zal ik orion vragen kontakt met je op nemen ( als je dat goed vind tenminste)
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » di feb 07, 2023 5:50 pm

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » di feb 07, 2023 8:53 pm

Is geroggeld :handgestures-thumbup:
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor John.M » di feb 07, 2023 9:05 pm

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » di feb 07, 2023 9:27 pm

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor HakanC » wo feb 08, 2023 1:41 am

Heb nog een imitatie liggen (werkte ook prima) omdat ik later origineel Bosch heb gebruikt. We kunnen het samen even proberen ;)
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor ismael_2000 » wo feb 08, 2023 2:43 pm

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Orion » wo feb 08, 2023 10:26 pm

Grtz Orion.

Geef me een PB.
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor klaasCA » do feb 09, 2023 12:08 pm

Wat zijn de ervaringen met imitatie vs. Bosch voor dit onderdeel?
Bosch gaat voor meer dan €200, imitatie vind je van €15 tot €100

Dit is in de basis een sleepweerstand; ik begrijp dat er verschil in kwaliteit zal zijn (dikte materiaal etc.) maar dit is nu ook geen stuk high tech precisie-elektronika.
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » do feb 09, 2023 2:15 pm

Geeft niet Kees, was een voor de hand liggende reactie.
Het is opgelost.

Ooit lang geleden had ik er ook ééntje van Orion gekocht, er waren bij mij en op de Wclubs nooit klachten over de geleverde door Orion. Ik zou nooit een onbekende immitatie nemen, waarom zou je, het is toch altijd een hoop gesleutel en als zo'n Ali ding dan niet werkt, pffffffff. Voorkomen is beter dan genezen
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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor HakanC » do feb 09, 2023 3:04 pm

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Re: 300ce-24V 1991 inhouden bij gas geven

Berichtdoor pierro » do feb 09, 2023 4:53 pm

Mijn LMM potmeter hapert ook na 250.000Km en moet ook eerdaags vernieuwd worden.
Kan ik die nog bij Orion bestellen en hoe, zie namelijk niets in de rubriek Aangeboden van hem.
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