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Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » di feb 21, 2023 1:07 pm

Kom er even niet uit waar de roze met paarse vacuümslang op aangesloten zit.Deze komt van het rubber T stuk af die
onder het luchtfilter op het inlaatspruitstuk aangesloten zit. Vandaar uit naar voren loopt tot aan de stroomverdeler, vacuüm vervroeg doosje, en hangt nu los (zie foto)
Tussen de sensor op het blok en vacuüm vervroeg doosje zat een vacuüm aansluiting deze was eraf gevallen :roll: kon deze nergens vinden ook niet op straat.
Dit heb ik toen aangesloten met rechtstreeks een nieuw slangetje van de vacuümdoos naar de sensor op het blok.
Naar alle waarschijnlijkheid zit dit zo niet goed aangesloten. Op het forum kwam ik er ook niet helemaal uit en niet ieder M102 230E blok is gelijk, de mijne is een M102.982.
Zou blij zijn als iemand hier meer over vertellen kan, alvast bedankt.

Voor de beeldvorming heb ik er foto's van gemaakt met tekst.
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor pierro » wo feb 22, 2023 4:39 pm

Wellicht dat dit document je kan helpen, pagina 8 is voor de motor 102.982 (230E)


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W201 KE FI Vacuum & other diagrams.pdf
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » wo feb 22, 2023 5:03 pm

Deze PDF had ik nog niet gevonden hier kan ik wat mee dank je wel, gaat gelijk in mijn archief. :D

Een vriend van mij uit Brabant heeft een 230E CE uit 1987 met hetzelfde motor nummer , dat zit net weer effe anders. Doordat Mercedes telkens verbeteringen doorvoerde. De mijne komt uit sept 1986.
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » wo feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm

Richard : ik denk dat de roze /paarse Vacuümslang met een T stukje op de zwart/ groene streep vacuumleiding
gemonteerd hoort te zitten. Deze zwart/ groene vacuumleiding had ik besteld bij alberts oldtimer service.
(Toen de oorspronkelijke vacuumleiding foetsie was) Dit had ik al in de openingspost vermeld

En rechtstreeks van de vacuumdoos op de distributor naar de vacuumsensor op het blok met 2 vacuumslangen
s zoals op de foto te zien is gemonteerd. Maar zo blijkt niet op de juiste wijze.

Zon geel vacuumklepje zoals er 2 naast de rembekrachtiger zitten heeft daar nooit gezeten.
Het klopt ook dat de motor soms niet zo lekker loopt met stationair draaien. Sinds de nieuwe vacuumleiding B)
Wel heb ik er vandaag maar eens een nieuwe OVP relais ingezet.
Zal morgen bij de Benz dealer zon rubber T stukje bestellen, toch wel een belangrijke aansluiting zo ik van jou
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » wo feb 22, 2023 6:45 pm

Dank voor je reactie , zoals gezegd zal ik morgen eerst bij de dealer zon T stukje bestellen en mischien nog wel meer rubbertjes ter preventie. En vragen of er orgineel mischien iets anders ophoort zoals de 02.56.001 Ventiel, onderdrukpomp.
Ik weet niemand hier in de omgeving die ook een 230E 1986 heeft dan kan ik effe onder de motorkap loeren.
Zodra ik deze tegen komt houd ik deze onmiddelijk staande :evil:
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor pierro » do feb 23, 2023 8:28 am

De mijne is van 1989 en ik woon in zuid-France, maar je mag langskomen... de koffie (het wijntje) staat klaar...
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor pierro » vr feb 24, 2023 11:49 am

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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » vr feb 24, 2023 6:02 pm

Wel een mooi ritje naar Frankrijk op LPG maar als de weg opeens 20 baans word mag je tol betalen. :D
Komt er vast nog wel een keer van met de Benz naar Frankrijk.

T stukje vanmiddag bij de Benz dealer opgehaald daarna net de vacuumslangetjes aangesloten met het T stukje ertussen en volgens mij zat het zo ook origineel.
De foto die Pierro van zijn auto laat zien, daar zit het allemaal weer iets anders. Dit is een model uit 1989 en de mijne komt uit 1986 beidde met motorcode M102.982.
https://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-specs ... 230-E.html

Mercedes paste regelmatig verbeteringen toe op de motoren die uit 1989 heeft waarschijnlijk ook een dubbele distributieketing, verdeel kap met schroefjes ipv Kwalitatief , uitermate, teleurstellende haakjes :evil: en ga zo maar door.

Bij mij zit het nu zo aangesloten, bedankt voor met meelezen en een ander heeft er vast ook wat aan.
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » vr feb 24, 2023 9:53 pm

Ik weet niet wat je precies bedoelt Richard , heb alleen de Vacuümslang die er zat en die kwijt is vervangen.
Deze is kwijtgeraakt/gevallen toen ik er een nieuwe verdelerkap + rotor opzette van Bosch. Je moet daarbij heel voorzichtig die bougiekabels van de verdelerkap losmaken ander trek je dat rubber kapot.

Heb geen kennis van vacuumvervroeging enz. Wel ooit bij een opel D kadett met een stroboscoop lamp de verdeler op tijd gezet 12S
Zal nog eens goed kijken msischien ligt dat zwarte vacuumslangetje met T stuk,wel op de bodemplaat onder het blok geklemd.
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » vr feb 24, 2023 10:09 pm

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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » za feb 25, 2023 11:05 am

Dank voor je uitleg in het bovenstaande stukje, wel een heel technische verhaal.

Het rechte T stukje zal ik wel even passend maken en uitwisselen met het Y stukje wat er nu op zit. Dan stroomt de lucht ook in een rechte lijn en niet via dat Y stuk.
De zwart met groene Vacuümslang zal ik even goed passend maken ,voor op dat T stuk. Die roze met paarse Vacuümslang past er goed strak op.

Verder ga ik even achter een 230E uit sept/oktober 1986 aan , om te kijken hoe dat zit. Dit doe ik door garage,s die een 230E aanbieden even te vragen of ze mijn kunnen helpen door en foto ervan te maken.(Dit idee schoot mij gister te binnen) Of anders maar even naar de Benz specialist Wieman in Ipendam of deze er 3 minuten naar kijken wil.

Is er toevallig iemand hier op het forum met een W124 230E uit september 1986 of iets ouder of jonger? die even wil kijken.
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Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo feb 26, 2023 6:54 pm

Een speld in een hooiberg, maar heb het juiste schema gevonden. Dit moet hem zijn
zo heb ik het nu ook aangesloten.
De tekening is van kleurtjes voorzien , maar spreekt waarschijnlijk wel voor zich.
Zal mooi zijn als een ander er ook wat mee kan die hier eventueel ook tegenaan loopt.
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Type wagen: 230E
Bouwjaar: 1986
Automaat: Nee
LPG: Ja


Re: Waar hoort deze Vacuümslang op?

Berichtdoor Maurice. » zo feb 26, 2023 11:05 pm

Mijn auto is een Franse versie met gele mistlampen heb er ook nog Franse kentekenplaten bij voorzien van een zware stalen bodembeschermplaat onder i.p.v. plastic.
De auto is In 1986 door Mercedes in Gabon ,Afrika geleverd. Gabon was toen een Franse kolonie daarna is (welk jaar weet in niet) de auto naar Frankrijk verhuist en in 2011 in de buurt van Avignon gekocht door Nederlanders met 163.000 km op de teller sindsdien July 2021 ben ik de 2 de Nederlandse eigenaar. Ben er wel nieuwsgierig naar wie zon dure bak in Gabon toen aangeschaft heeft.
Originele aflever papieren met de opties waarmee mijn auto is afgeleverd heb ik hier liggen en nog meer papieren.

Grappig dat je dat allemaal weet Richard hoe kan ik zien als dat zo is of mijn auto uitlaatgasrecirculatie heeft. Er zit geen kat op en waarschijnlijk ook geen EGR klep nadat ik ging zoeken op uitlaatgasrecirculatie.
Maurice.
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Automaat: Nee
LPG: Ja


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