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Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Meetjeslander » wo nov 15, 2017 10:34 pm

Hallo,

Sinds kort heb ik mijn 230E gekocht. Van in het begin al heb ik een probleem met mijn automatische versnellingsbak.
Wanneer ik mijn auto start moet hij ongeveer 90 seconden draaien vooraleer ik naar de 2e versnelling kan schakelen.
m.a.w. als ik meteen zou vertrekken blijf hij gewoon in eerste hangen. Eenmaal in 2e schakelt de auto normaal. Dit is natuurlijk zeer vervelend en bovendien gevaarlijk. Kan het probleem opgelost worden door de olie en filter van de versnellingsbak te verversen? Of is er een volledige revisie nodig?

Wat ik ook heel eigenaardig vindt is dat de auto normaal 4 versnellingen heeft (ja toch? :blink: ) en maar 2 keer schakelt... Bij 120 km/h draait de auto op 3600 toeren. Is dit normaal?

Hij gedraagt zich hetzelfde op benzine of LPG.

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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » do nov 16, 2017 9:37 am

Hij trekt zowiezo altijd vanuit zijn 2e versnelling op...tenzij je eerst de pook in zijn 2 zet en daarna in d.


Altijd eerst olie en filter vervangen als je niet weet wat de history is qua olie.

Verder valt er veel af te stellen via de gas en bowden kabel qua schakelgedrag.

Verder blijft de bak smorgens koud veel langer in de versnelling om het geheel/katalisator sneller op temperatuur te krijgen.
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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Nico 43 » do nov 16, 2017 11:46 am

Dat je eerst 90 seconden moet wachten voor je kunt vertrekken is niet normaal maar de andere dingen die je opnoemt zijn wel normaal hoor.

Heb je geen instructie boekje bij de auto daar staat het in hoe de bak werkt ;)
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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor -SK- » do nov 16, 2017 2:42 pm

Hoe je de bakolie moet vervangen, heb ik zojuist beschreven in het volgende topic:
automaat-olie-verversen-t17683.html

Zoek op dit forum eens op bakproblemen.
Als je er zelf niet uitkomt, bel met Henk van ATR in Montfoort.
Hij is een vakman, eerlijk en kenner van MB-bakken. Juist ook van de oudere Benzen.
En een afspraak bij hem is niet voor niets. Vanuit Vlaanderen is Montfoort goed te doen.

Aandelen ATR heb ik niet, wel ervaring met Henk en zijn bedrijf (ATR).
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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Meetjeslander » do nov 16, 2017 6:02 pm

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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Eric99 » do nov 16, 2017 7:45 pm

Misschien is de automaat van deze optie voorzien. Zie bijlage.

Dit wordt toegepast om de kat sneller op te warmen.
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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Eemspoort » vr nov 17, 2017 9:39 am

Misschien wel erg voor de hand liggend, maar heb je het oliepeil van de bak al gecontroleerd?
Met warme, draaiende motor even de bak peilen, als dat er goed uit ziet kun je verder gaan denken.
Ik had precies het tegenover gestelde. Wat ik ook deed, geen 1e versnelling. Niet erg, in de 2 trekt ie ook op, maar het is niet zoals het hoort. Peil in de bak bleek te laag te zijn. Normaal 1 van de eerste dingen waar ik naar kijk, alleen dit keer natuurlijk niet...
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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor -SK- » vr nov 17, 2017 10:55 am

oliepeilen kan ook al bij 30 graden (met een my95 peilstok).
Dat is wel zo veilig als je vermoed dat er te weinig olie in de bak zit.
Pas op. te veel is ook niet goed.
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Re: Probleem automaat 230E

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » vr nov 17, 2017 5:36 pm

Ik denk dat de gaskabel te strak staat....heb ik ook wel eens gehad na een motorwissel toen bleef hij heel lang in z,n 2
probeer hem maar eens een beetje te lossen...een heel klein beetje en dan testen.

het schakelgedrag is heel afhankelijk van de afstelling van de bowdenkabel en stand van het gaspedaal (gaskabel)

Of het is het upshiftdelay...een magneetventiel dat er voor zorgt dat hij bij de koudstart hoger in toeren en langer in z,n 2 blijft om de katalisator sneller op te warmen (als hij er op zit bij jou ..zie foto )
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