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Spanningsregelaar vraagje : Techniek

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Spanningsregelaar vraagje

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Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » vr mei 19, 2023 12:18 pm

Bij het starten blijven de controlelampjes lichtjes branden.

Batterij is goed, hij laadt tot 14v bij gas geven tot 14.4v.

Probleem zal in de spanningsregelaar zitten. Nu zit er een geel kabeltje dat aangesloten zit op de regelaar. Als ik deze ontkoppel gaan alle lichtjes uit maar bij contact op nr 1 brand alleen ABS lampje en voorgoellampje en laadt hij de batterij niet meer op.

Ben gaan kijken naar een andere om602 en daar zat dit kabeltje niet op en als ik hem wil bestellen op autodoc hebben ze allemaal dat pinnetje niet. Heeft iemand dit ook op zijn wagen of de versie zonder kabel?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » vr mei 19, 2023 1:33 pm

Ik weet niet welk merk en type dynamo je in de auto hebt, maar je zou hier eens kunnen kijken:
https://www.lima-shop.de/Lichtmaschinen-Regler/
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » vr mei 19, 2023 9:08 pm

Het is dit model en leuke site. Zal ik onthouden.

Herken je dit model?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » za mei 20, 2023 10:31 am

Nee dit merk ken ik niet. Met deze foto's zou je contact op kunnen nemen met de mannen van bovengenoemde site, die kunnen je verder helpen.
Desnoods kun je de koolborstels vervangen, de huidige regelaar werkte nog goed als ik je bericht lees.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Rob Hackert » za mei 20, 2023 8:34 pm

ik denk niet dat het in de spanningsregelaar zit....
kan het misschien zo zijn dat er een massa probleempje zit in de tellerklok waardoor de lampjes zachtjes blijven branden?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » zo mei 21, 2023 11:29 am

Als ik kijk naar de foto van de spanningsregelaar, dan zie ik dat de koolborstels hun langste tijd gehad hebben.
Dus vervangen is wel nodig.

Nakijken van (massa) verbindingen tussen dynamo en cockpit is wel een goed idee om te doen.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » zo mei 21, 2023 8:12 pm

Ik heb de massaverbindingen proper gemaakt en heeft niet geholpen. Ik kan de koolborstels ook apart vervangen ?

Dat pinnetje is toch de massa ?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » ma mei 22, 2023 7:24 pm

Bij veel regelaars kun je de koolborstels los vervangen, of dat bij dit exemplaar ook (makkelijk) gaat, kan ik zo niet uit de foto's opmaken.

Het schuifje waar de stekker op komt, is waarschijnlijk de DF aansluiting, de veldwikkeling waar het acculampje op aan wordt gesloten.
Het lipje daarnaast is de massa.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor hansjepansje » di mei 23, 2023 12:54 pm

Spanningsregelaar zou ik compleet vervangen als je die kunt krijgen van Iskra
Wat ook kan is dat de collector (waar de koolbortels op lopen) kortsluitng maken
Zijn koperen lamellen met isolatie ertussen ,groefjes schoonmaken met een dun zaagblaadje ,
Zitten vaak vol met koolstof.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » di mei 23, 2023 1:48 pm

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Dit type sleepring vind je in de generator.
Dus groefjes schoon maken is niet aan de ordeā€¦.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » di mei 23, 2023 5:39 pm

Zoals ik het zie vervang ik gewoon de spanningsregelaar als ik eentje vind of ik zoek mij een andere alternator en monyeer deze.

Op autodoc vind ik alleen maar andere types spanningsregelaars.

Ik heb ook gemerkt dat mijn temperatuurmeter niet meer werkt. Bij contact schuift hij 1mm naar boven en blijft hij daar zitten.

Temperatuursensor met 1 pin werkt, geen kabelbreuk in het stekkertje. Kan dit daarmee te maken hebben of staat dit los van de spanningsregelaar? Thermostaat werkt ook.

Had ook gemeten op de 15 polige stekker voor spanning maar geen spanning te meten of weerstand.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » wo jun 07, 2023 5:02 pm

De spanningsregelaar is vervangen en alle controlelampjes branden nog bij stationair draaien.

Trap ik gaspedaal in gaan ze allemaal uit.

Batterij laadt 14,4 V , wagen start direct ook na paar dagen stilstaan. Andere batterij gestoken, deed hetzelfde.

Waar kan ik verder zoeken? Had gehoopt dat het de spanningsregelaar ging zijn maar blijkbaar niet.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » wo jun 07, 2023 6:49 pm

Heb je het acculampje onlangs vervangen?
Heb je een spanningsregelaar van Iskra kunnen vinden?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » wo jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm

Ik heb eentje kunnen vinden van een ander merk via een site die tractoronderdelen verkoopt. Zelfde specificaties en ziet er hetzelfde uit.

Nee acculampje niet vervangen. Mag ik vragen waarom?

Kan het gewoon niet zijn dat die alternator op zijn einde is gezien bij accelereren de lampjes wel uitgaan en hij dan de juiste spanning generereert waardoor de lampjes uitblijven?

Gaspedaal werkt als een omgekeerde dimmer nu.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor RD500sec » do jun 08, 2023 9:49 am

Het laadstroom lampje zorgt ervoor dat de velddiode in geleiding komt, dat start de alternator op.
Bij een te sterk lampje (hoger wattage) komt de diode pas later in geleiding, (dus bij gas geven) en begint dan pas te laden. Dat blijft zo tot de motor stil wordt gezet, na opnieuw starten zal hetzelfde gebeuren. Laadstroom lampje blijft aan na starten, gaat uit na gasgeven en blijft dan uit.

Als er meerdere lampjes branden en uitgaan na gesgeven, dan weer gaan branden bij lager toerental, kan het zijn dat de massa verbinding tussen blok en carrosserie, of tussen accu en carrosserie niet goed is, of je hebt aan de + kant een slecht contact makende draad in de connectoren. Meet over de draad, van connector tot connector, er mag geen (nauwelijks, hooguit achter de komma) spanningsverschil zijn. Kijk ook of de kabel van de alternator geen sluiting maakt tegen de langsbalk.

Kun je in de bedrading niets vinden, zal het naar alle waarschijnlijkheid de alternator zijn.
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » vr jun 16, 2023 4:59 pm

Stel dat ik de alternator moet vervangen en eerlijk gezegd ga hem waarschijnlijk toch moeten vervangen.

Nu vraag ik mij af als de alternator vervang waar dat kabeltje moet van de DF aansluiting dat aangesloten zit op de spanningsregelaar? Ik heb zitten kijken en de meeste alternators zien eruit als diegene op de foto en de spanningsregelaars hebben geen enkele aansluiting. Op de dynamo op de foto zie je wel nog een aansluiting maar heb al gezien dat ik daar ook een kabeltje voor heb.

Tenzij ik de spanningsregelaar van Iskra kan overzetten op een andere dynamo?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje (iemand een dynamo?)

Berichtdoor Papyrus » za jun 17, 2023 1:48 pm

Heeft er iemand een dynamo die ik kan overnemen?
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Re: Spanningsregelaar vraagje

Berichtdoor Papyrus » ma jun 19, 2023 7:04 pm

Mag op slot
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