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uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: za feb 10, 2018 8:15 pm
door PeDe
Wat heb ik nou? :?

Uit het niets, na rijden op snelweg, aansluitend na nemen rotonde schokken en inhouden bij optrekken.
Ook schakelproces lijkt wel wat rommeliger te verlopen.....
Stil gaan staan, loopt ie stationair niet mooi rond / stil, maar schokkerig, onregelmatig.
Daarvoor strak, stil en mooi rond de 750 RPM, nu 1 in keer en ook continue rommelig rond die RPM.
Tank was 3/4 leeg, voor de zekerheid tanken, maar daarna nog steeds......

Wat kan dit zijn? Motorkabelboom is overigens al eens vervangen.

Bedankt voor het meedenken,

Groet,
Peter

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: za feb 10, 2018 8:42 pm
door Vinnievw
Doen alle cilinders mee? Wellicht een van de bobines defect?

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: za feb 10, 2018 11:15 pm
door PeDe
Qua geluid bij accelereren lijken alle cilinders wel mee te lopen.
Hoe kan ik de bobines checken?

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: za feb 10, 2018 11:27 pm
door Micha12345
Eerst de kabels eruit trekken en elke kabel op 12 volt meten bij sleutel op contact en ik weet niet of je een soort van obd systeem hebt maar als je bobine defect is dan zul je een foutmelding krijgen.

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: zo feb 11, 2018 12:19 am
door Marcellus
Klinkt toch alsof niet alle cilinders meedoen, zoals Vinnievw ook al oppert. Misschien een bobine inderdaad, maar het kan ook een los contact in één van de stekkertjes op de bobines zijn. Dat had ik namelijk afgelopen jaar een keer.

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: zo feb 11, 2018 10:52 am
door Vinnievw

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: zo feb 11, 2018 10:57 am
door Raytheman
ik trek gewoon 1 voor 1 een bougiekabel los en kijk of er verschil zit in hoe de motor loopt. Hij zal beduidend slechter lopen als je er een 'goeie' af trekt en hetzelfde als je de 'slechte' te pakken hebt

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: zo feb 11, 2018 5:26 pm
door PeDe
Bedankt voor de reactie heren :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Vandaag het e.e.a. nagelopen, zelf niets kunnen vinden qua losse stekkers, vloeistofniveau's en lekkages o.i.d.
Zelf geen mogelijkheden en know-how voor doormeten.
Onregelmatig lopen blijft en ook bijgeluiden, licht tikken.....?? :?
Qua slecht lopen verdenk ik inderdaad wat Marcellus en Vinnievw al zeiden, de bobines of een draadbreuk bij de bobines. Vanuit: Dat is niet zo heel spannend.

Maar dat bijgeluid.....pffff, dit topic lijkt sterk op het verhaal van Phil z'n M04:

Ik ga contact zoeken met Eric Breed,
Niet de goedkoopste, maar zeker wel de know-how en in de buurt.

Wordt vervolgt......

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: di feb 13, 2018 7:50 pm
door PeDe
Minder leuk nieuws...... :?

Compressie op cilinder 6 is door garage gemeten: 0 bar; niks nakkes nada.... :(
Op de overige cilinders tussen de 9 en de 11 bar, dat schijnt OK te zijn.

Kan volgens garage diverse zaken zijn, zuiger / stoter / kleppen / tuimelaar / nokkenas.
Ontsteking (kabels/bobines/bougies etc.) waren prima, bleken niet lang terug vernieuwd.
Motor is (nog) niet verder open gehaald om exact te bepalen wat het is.
Maar afhankelijk van wat je tegenkomt zijn de kosten al gauw 1.500 euro, aldus garage.

Ben zelf geen sleutelaar, ff nachtje over slapen wat te doen, ook voor naar de toekomst toe....... :dry:

Iemand nog suggesties / ideeën?

Bedankt, fijne avond, Peter

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: di feb 13, 2018 8:45 pm
door Raytheman
Ik zou kijken voor een ruilmotor

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: di feb 13, 2018 9:20 pm
door Vinnievw
Misschien valt het mee en kan worden volstaan met het vervangen van de cilinderkop.

Hoeveel kilometer staat er eigenlijk op de teller?

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: di feb 13, 2018 9:40 pm
door PeDe
333.500 km

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 6:55 pm
door PeDe
Mocht een liefhebber interesse hebben om de gehele auto over te nemen is dat (helaas) ook het overwegen waard......

Wel graag via PM, groet, Peter

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 7:17 pm
door Micha12345
Ik weet niet maar ik vertrouw geen garages.Kan toch niet zijn dat in 1 keer hele compressie uitvalt op 1 cilinder terwijl je normaal met de wagen omgaat en geen problemen hebt gehad met de radiator of andere dingen.Ik zou hem zelf nameten en daarlijk kom je erachter dat het iets kleins is.

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 7:25 pm
door PeDe
[quote="Micha12345"[/quote]

Das een duidelijk verhaal.....is er iemand in de buurt van Obdam NH die mij kan en wil helpen (tegen betaling)?

Bedankt, groet, Peter

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 7:43 pm
door Rojo124
Ik ben het met Micha eens en heb ook niet zo veel vertrouwen in de garagehandel...ik zou toch een second opinion laten uitvoeren.

Even laten rusten Peter...en gewoon even afwachten op verdere reacties... je kan de hobbyhut of Toontje eens vragen...toontje zit in Noordland 2, Heinkeszand of zoiets ?...dat is ook te ver.

Ik heb nog wel een goede M103 260E motor voor je met weinig kilometers...en evt inbouw kan ik ook voor zorgen.
en voor een second opinion even naar Rotterdam lijkt mij geen optie.

en een compressie test kun je overal laten uitvoeren.

sucses gr Ron

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 8:12 pm
door Bram Jansen

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 8:34 pm
door Micha12345
Had ik in je buurt gewoond dan had ik je voor een blikje cola geholpen maar helaas woon ik in venlo.

Tegenwoordig moet je gewoon opassen met garages en vooral met garages die gewend zijn om snel te cashen doormiddel van autotje aan compuer hup hup en klaar.Voor de tijd die ze in een W124 moeten stoppen hebben ze al gauw 10 andere aan de lijn dus je moet iemand hebben die deze autos als geen andere kent en het met passie doet.

Wens je veel succes verder en laat het iets kleins zijn want ik heb nog nooit gehoord van een goed onderhouden auto die 1 keer uit het niets 1 cilinder heeft zonder compressie want dat gaat normaal gesproken geleidelijk of je moet doorrijden zonder koelvloeistof

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 9:19 pm
door Vinnievw

Re: uit het niets schokken bij stationair en optrekken M104

BerichtGeplaatst: wo feb 14, 2018 9:25 pm
door PeDe
@ Bram: klopt, bedankt, heb hem ook een berichtje gestuurd
@ Vinnievw: betreft forumlid uit Schagen NH
@ iedereen: Bedankt heren voor de reacties, dat geeft de burger weer moed :dance:

Zojuist afgesproken, de E280T gaat naar het motorisch spreekuur, ofwel wederom op (reparatie) bezoek de dijk over naar Douwe. Zie ook mijn logboek en onderstaande link voor meer info over Douwe.

Douwes Prutshok in Friesland,

Wordt vervolgt...... ;)