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W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Vincent200 » vr sep 27, 2013 11:00 am

Beste W124clubbers,

Sinds een maand of twee heb ik met een groep vrienden een verlengde MB W124 200 gekocht. Deze liep in het begin perfect maar nadat er witte rook uit de uitlaat kwam, de motor 120 graden werd en de koelvloeistoftank leeggeslurpt werd kwamen we tot de conclusie dat de koppaking kapot is. Het repareren hiervan bij een garage is natuurlijk vrij duur vanwege de arbeidskosten, nu zijn we allemaal technische studenten dus willen we proberen dit zelf te doen. Heeft er iemand misschien een technische handleiding, how to of belangrijke tips over hoe dit aan te pakken?

Met vriendelijke groet,
(van beginnend W124 sleutelaar)
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor SanderDTCH » vr sep 27, 2013 11:42 am

Gebruik de (zoek functie)!
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Gombal » vr sep 27, 2013 4:27 pm

Ga ervan uit dat het om een M102 motor gaat, zoja, zie hier:
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor GekkeHenkie » vr sep 27, 2013 5:02 pm

Dat is idd ook wel handig om te weten. Het kan ook een OM601 zijn
Trouwens, nog nooit een verlengde gezien met een benzine motor.
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor DJS » vr sep 27, 2013 5:20 pm

Nee, er staat in zijn profiel dat het LPG is. ;) Dus een M102 waarschijnlijk.
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Vincent200 » za sep 28, 2013 3:00 am

Super "Gombal"!! Dat is precies wat ik nodig had;)
Het gaat inderdaad om een M102 motor (de plaatjes komen duidelijk overeen:p)
Volgende week ga ik aan de slag, ik hou jullie op de hoogte!
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Mafkees » za sep 28, 2013 8:45 am

Knip gelijk wat foto's van de demontage, vinden wij leuk :mrgreen:
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Brown » ma sep 30, 2013 10:19 pm

en bereid je goed voor met het juiste gereedschap. ik heb eens mijn kop laten reviseren (zelf kan ik dat natuurlijk niet), en om de kop eraf te krijgen zit er aan de voorkant een 'boutje' die je met speciaal gereedschap eruit moet 'draaien'. ik zal even vragen wat dat nu precies is en heet want als die bout er niet uit komt, dan houdt het op.. dus was toen wel even spannend...
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Brown » ma sep 30, 2013 10:23 pm

nog een tip: je moet officieel ook de cilinderbouten vervangen omdat dit trekbouten zijn...
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor EricH » ma sep 30, 2013 10:32 pm

Nu maak je me nieuwsgierig Brown, wat is een trekbout?
Ik probeerde het op het internet op te zoeken, maar daar vond ik niets.

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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Brown » ma sep 30, 2013 10:35 pm

volgens mij dat ze 'uitrekken' .. dus misschien bedoel ik 'rekbouten' ;-)

sorry voor het type foutje..
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » di okt 01, 2013 6:34 am

Zo heel veel speciaal gereedschap heb je niet nodig.

Trekbouten ken ik niet, wel REKbouten. Door de aandraaispanning rek je ze uit, na al die jaren warm en koud worden moet je ze geen 2e ronde meer gebruiken. De rek is er dan uit, dus nieuwe kopbouten.
Nieuwe bouten, van midden synchroon naar buiten werken met aandraaien, de 1e slag op 50Nm, dan 2x 90 graden aantrekken. Veel olie aan de stelen en rustig aanzetten, tussentijds ook paar minuten wachten.

Die moeilijke dingetjes die brown bedoeld zijn de pennentjes waarmee de kunststokettinggeleider in het distributiehuis zitten bevestigd. Bij MB verwijzen ze naar een slagtrekker, maar met een ander boutje, een ophoogbusje en een dikke revet is dat veel beter te doen. Zorg wel dat je een boortje en een tapje M6 bij de hand hebt. Ze zitten aan de voorkant, zijn met z'n 2en en moeten er echt uit, anders krijg je je kop er niet af.

Wat bij jou niet te voorspellen is, is het punt dat je de motor heet hebt laten worden. Je weet niet wat voor schade daar nog meer door is ontstaan of nog gaan ontstaan. Doordat hij heet is geweest moet hij zeer waarschijnlijk gevlakt worden.
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Brown » di okt 01, 2013 7:54 pm

deze info en foto heb ik van een ander forumlid:

een trekkertje om de paspennen van de kettinggeleider te verwijderen
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Geregistreerd: zo mei 01, 2011 6:11 pm
Woonplaats: Den Haag
Type wagen: 230E
Bouwjaar: 1987
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Vincent200 » wo okt 30, 2013 4:36 pm

Het is ff geleden maar we zijn nu eindelijk van plan aan de slag te gaan met het vervangen van de koppakking. Nog bedankt voor alle verdere informatie! We hebben nog wat onduidelijkheid over welke onderdelen we precies nodig hebben. Hieronder een aantal foto's van de auto om ff duidelijk te maken om wat voor type het precies gaat:

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We willen dus de koppakking vervangen en dachten daarvoor in ieder geval een van deze onderdelen nodig te hebben:
http://www.winparts.nl/683/motor/motor- ... ilinderkop
http://www.besteonderdelen.nl/elring-986164.html

of juist deze http://www.winparts.nl/683/motor/motor- ... ilinderkop
(zou deze dan incl. rekbouten zijn? als niet, waar halen we deze vandaan?)

Zijn dit de juiste onderdelen of missen we nog iets en raden jullie iets ander aan?

Alvast bedankt voor reacties, we hopen dat we dit projectje kunnen laten slagen en zo deze mooie auto weer te laten rijden!

Groet, Vincent
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Mafkees » wo okt 30, 2013 4:45 pm

Een koppakingset is beter, heb je alles eigenlijk. Rekbouten zitten hier niet bij, die moet je apart bestellen. Je kunt natuurlijk ook alles bij de Mercedes dealer bestellen op chassisnummer. Levering binnen 24 uur, en iets duurder maar wel goed spul.
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Mafkees » wo okt 30, 2013 4:49 pm

Kop vlakken en afpersen zou ik zeker doen, kost de "kop" niet ;)
Mafkees
 
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Re: W124 200 Koppakking vervangen

Berichtdoor Gullwing » wo okt 30, 2013 9:32 pm

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