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Berichtdoor loekie » wo nov 03, 2010 7:55 pm

hoi ik heb hoofdrem cylinder vernieuwt zaterdag alles goed maandag viel me druk weg 2 a 3 keer pedaal op en neer en remt goed dinsdag weer ontlucht weer alles goed en nu valt ie weer weg is dit een ontluchting kwestie of wat anders ,
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » wo nov 03, 2010 8:19 pm

Heb dit zelf ook een paar maanden geleden vervangen, kreeg toen met geen mogelijkheid mijn achterremmen ontlucht dmv met het rempedaal pompen.
Heb toen maar met een grote spuit steeds onderdruk getrokken aan de remnippel op de remklauw en toen na veel gedoe werkte het wel.
Denk dat voor een W124 de beste manier is door het met overdruk te doen of te wel druk op het voorraadvaatje, dan druk je de lucht er gewoon uit.
(Weet niet of je een automaat of een handbak hebt, bij een handbak moet je dan ook meteen je koppelingscilinders ontluchten, pakken uit hetzelfde voorraadvaatje!)
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor schil1 » vr nov 05, 2010 9:47 am

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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » vr nov 05, 2010 10:46 am

Heb gisteren alle vier de remslangetjes vervangen ivm de keuring.
Voorkant is netjes te ontluchten dmv pompen.
Achterkant weer hetzelfde probleem, dmv van pompen komt er wel remvloeistof uit achter en het niveau van mijn voorraadpotje zakt ook, achterkant is slecht te zien overigens.
Rempedaal blijft de eerste helft zacht, de tweede helft keihard maar dat klopt wel want dan worden de voorremmen aangesproken.
In mijn geval lijkt het me stug dat de hoofdremcilinder kapot is, is pas vervangen en dat lees ik bij Loekie ook. Denk dat het een beetje inherent aan het ontwerp is, is namelijk wel vreemd dat iemand die precies hetzelfde vervangen heeft als mij (hoofdremcilinder) dezelfde problemen heeft.
Toen weer gevacumeerd en dan wel een redelijk hard pedaal, ben er nog niet tevreden over maar alle vier de wielen remmen. Nadeel is echter dat er lucht via de schroefdraad van de ontluchtingsnippel de slang ingzogen wordt waardoor je slecht kan zien of er geen lucht meer inzit. Heb echter steeds 50-100 ml eruit getrokken, zou meer als genoeg moeten zijn.
Had de vorige keer ook vet om de ontluchtingnippel gesmeerd om het lucht inzuigen te voorkomen, helpt wel wat.
Op deze manier weer een liter remvloeistof erdoorheen gewerkt! Paar maanden terug zelfs 1,5 liter voordat ik tevreden was.
Denk dat ik maar een overdruksetje ga kopen, is volgens mij de enigste manier om de achteremmen goed gevuld en ontlucht te krijgen. Houd ervan dat de rem keihard is meteen met intrappen en nu is hij dat zeker niet.
Maar mocht iemand nog andere tips hebben dan zou dat al minimaal 2 man helpen!
(Of Loekie moet het ondertussen opgelost hebben?)
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor schil1 » vr nov 05, 2010 1:25 pm

Hoi Arjan

Ik heb het probleem nog nooit gehad en ik heb mijn achterremmen toch al wel minimaal
3 keer ververst.
Wat ik wel een keer gehad heb is, doordat ik niet goed kon zien dat het achterste gedeelte van het reservoir leeg was, ik steeds lucht in het systeem had.
Nu vul ik het reservoir tot aan de vulopening, zet iemand in de auto die het systeem op druk zet nippel open pedaal zakt en dan nippel weer dicht. Dan systeem weer op druk en dit doorgaan tot ik schone olie zie.
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » vr nov 05, 2010 2:05 pm

Hebben we gisteren inderdaad ook gedaan, potje ook tot overlopens gevuld, het probleem is alleen dat er gewoon geen druk komt de eerste helft van de pedaalslag.
Dit komt er alleen als je het dus met vacuum doet.
Inderdaad ook gehad dat de achterkant leeg was, motor draaide op dat moment dus meteen mijn niveaulampje getest ;)
Maakt overigens niet uit qua pompen, draaiende of stilstaande motor.
Heb ook altijd bij mijn vorige auto's zelf de remmen gedaan en ook nooit dit fenomeen gezien, was altijd inderdaad een kwestie van pompen met 2 man en zo klaar.
Qua hoofdremcilinder weet ik dat hij goed is, heb het toen ik hem gemonteerd had zelfs zonder voorraadpotje gedaan, mijn vrouw met een spuit de hoofdremcilinder bijvullen terwijl ik pompte totdat deze echt luchtvrij was, daarna ik bij een van de achterremmen met een spuit vacuum trekken en mijn vrouw heel voorzichtig de opening in de hoofdremcilinder bijvullen. Toen was het pedaal snoeihard.
Daarna potje gemonteerd en gevuld.
Krijg haast het idee dat er ergens lucht blijft hangen of aangezogen wordt maar het vreemde is dat er niets naar buiten lekt, niveau blijft perfect.
Ook de rubbers van mijn hoofdremcilinder naar het potje zijn goed, dacht eerst dat hij daar lucht aanzoog of iets dergelijks.
Vreemde was de eerste keer wel dat de koppelingscilinder binnen no time ontlucht was met pompen, had toen ook de cilinder op de bak vervangen. En deze pakt toch ook van de achterzijde van het potje zij het via een aparte aansluiting.
Vandaar dat ik gewoon de overdruk manier ook eens wil proberen, zag op internet wat zelfbouw constructies maar ook de Eezibleed bijvoorbeeld. Ben benieuwd of dat een stuk verbetering brengt.
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » vr nov 05, 2010 2:13 pm

O, herinner me net, de beste manier tot nu toe was de remvloeistof er vanaf de remklauw indrukken naar het reservoir toe, dan was het pedaal helemaal perfcet.
Dat was de manier waarop ik het uiteindelijk een paar maanden geleden gedaan heb dus denk dat ik dat maar weer opnieuw doe, weet ik zeker dat ook alle lucht eruit is en zoals geschreven, werkte toen perfect. Is eigenlijk hetzelfde als het systeem met overdruk via je voorraadpotje te vullen.
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » za nov 06, 2010 12:03 pm

Vanochtend de achterremmen opnieuw gedaan maar nu met de tegenstroommanier.
Remmen zijn nu weer zoals ze moeten zijn!
60 ml uit het voorraadpotje trekken met de spuit (Er is ondertussen al meer dan 2,5 liter schone remvloeistof doorheen gegaan bij mij, bij vervangen remvloeistof eerst voorraadpotje zo ver mogelijk leegzuigen met de spuit, dan liefst met een schone spuit nieuwe remvloeistof uit de fles zuigen), slang op de spuit, slang vullen zodat er geen lucht meer inzit, slangetje op de nippel (ingeval van een ringsleutel deze eerst erop zetten!), nippel open draaien, spuit leegdrukken (Niet te hard anders schiet de slang van de spuit en wordt het een bende, remvloeistof wil je niet overal op hebben!), nippel dicht.
Dit een keer of 3 achter elkaar gedaan per kant en nu remt hij weer zoals een auto hoort te remmen, bijna meteen vanaf het indrukken van het pedaal!
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » za nov 06, 2010 4:45 pm

Even een update,toch nog niet helemaal goed, pedaal zakt als je hard trapt erg ver door.
Ben even uitgedacht over wat er nu mis is........... hoofdremcilinder is nieuw, nergens lekkage naar buiten, mijn niveau van mijn voorraadpotje blijft gelijk.
Ga nu toch weer aan die hoofdremcilinder twijfelen of die wel goed is.
Heb echter weinig zin om weer € 95,00 uit te geven om het te testen.
Ben eigenlijk wel benieuwd of er buiten Loekie nog meer mensen zijn die dit gehad hebben en ondertussen weten wat ermis kan zijn.
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Pena » za nov 06, 2010 5:29 pm

Helaas Arjen,

Moet het nog doen bij mijn 250D.
Maar heb hetzelfde probleem bij mijn 300SD.

Het enige wat in mij op komt is dat er in de klauw ergens een heel klein beetje lucht/sluch blijft staan. IK heb bij de 300SD ook een nieuwe hoofdremsylinder. Het remt goed maar niet direkt.

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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » za nov 06, 2010 5:37 pm

Oke, hoe zouden ze dat bij de Mercedes dealer dan oplossen, vullen die met druk of onderdruk of misschien nog wel anders?
Dacht er ook al aan dat er ergens lucht moet blijven zitten maar de grote vraag is dus, hoe krijg je dat er nu in hemelsnaam uit en kan dit uberhaupt wel?
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Berichtdoor Pena » za nov 06, 2010 5:58 pm

Ik zat zelf te denken aan de klauw te splitsen en schoon te maken (heb ik bij de 300SD gedaan). En dan te vullen tewijl je de klauw 'kantelt', zodat de lucht altijd naar boven kan en niet meer ergens blijft steken (het is maar theorie :) ). Succes

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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » za nov 06, 2010 6:28 pm

Zat net ook naar mijn foto's te kijken en zat inderdaad ook te denken om mijn klauw eraf te halen, stuk hout tussen de remblokken en tijdens het vullen of pompen de klauw op alle manieren bewegen en houden om eventuele gevangen lucht eruit te laten.
Als ik zo naar de klauw kijk loopt het kanaal vanaf de buitenste zuiger schuin naar boven naar de ontluchtingsnippel dus theoretisch zou achter de buitenste zuiger geen lucht meer kunnen blijven hangen.Zou dus achter de binnenste zuiger moeten blijven hangen.Weet alleen niet hoe het kanaal loopt vanaf de binnenste zuiger naar de buitenste toe.
Mijn klauw splitsen doe ik nog maar even niet, moet alles buiten doen en het weer wordt langszaam toch wat minder.Bovendien weet ik niet of ik hem uberhaupt uit elkaar krijg, is knap geroest.
Zat ook al te denken of ik geen nieuwe klauwen achter nodig had, rechtsachter kwam er de eerste keer verversen best lang echt smerige remvloeistof uit.Maarja, dat is niet bepaald een goedkope oplossing.
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Zoert » za nov 06, 2010 7:06 pm

Gewoon ff een setje eezibleed kopen.
Paar tientjes bij de automaterialenzaak en het werkt perfect!!
ik had hetzelfde gezeur met slecht ontluchtende achterkant.
maar met dit setje binnen no time remmetjes goed ontlucht.
Echt een aanrader... (werkt met reservewiel dus geen compressor nodig!!!)
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » za nov 06, 2010 8:21 pm

Heb ik ook al aan gedacht, zag echter ook zoiets als op de foto en dat is zelf heel simpel te maken.
Een drukplantenspuit van € 2,50 bij de Aktion, een extra dop voor op het voorraadpotje heb ik al, alleen nog een nippeltje voor in de dop.
Heb je geen reservewiel voor nodig.
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Berichtdoor Gombal » za nov 06, 2010 8:43 pm

Er zijn meer knutselaars, deze heeft al gedaan wat ik ook ga proberen.
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Re: remmen

Berichtdoor Gombal » do nov 11, 2010 12:08 pm

Ondertussen wat in elkaar geknutseld, dit is waar ik mee begonnen ben (Aktion, een euro of 6-7 dacht ik):
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En dit is wat er van weg kon:
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Heb in een losse dop voor mijn reservoir een gaatje van 8 mm geboord, van een oude binnenband van een brommer heb ik het ventiel met een redelijk stuk rubber geknipt en deze in de dop gemonteerd.
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Nu nog een litertje remvloeistof halen en wat beter weer dan gaan we hem eens uitproberen.
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Berichtdoor loekie » do nov 11, 2010 8:37 pm

bedankt allemaal probleem is verholpen puur ontluchten 2 dagen latr weer weeronlucerwht
3 dagen verderweer onlucht na de eerste keer goed de derde keer na een aantal keeer onluchten op de achterwielen drie grote lucht bellen in de ene wiel en andere wiel 2 luchtbellen nu zeer perfect bedankt allemaal .l.steijger
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